Need Cask Help

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  1. TheBeerdedCharmer

    TheBeerdedCharmer Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 24, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    I work at a brewery and have to do a few casks for an account. Was interested to see what the BA community would throw in them. Trying to come up with some interesting flavor combinations.

    One is a firkin (10 gallon) of Black Currant Amber. Great malt character, slight hop bitterness, very light fruity tartness from the currants.

    The other is a pin (5 gallon) of Peppercorn Saison. Light, easy drinking beer. Slightly bitter. Spiced with white, pink and green peppercorns and orange peel.

    What would you put in these casks?
     
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  2. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    Right on.

    I'm thinking maybe some hibiscus flowers for the black current amber?

    I say more fruit peel in the saison. Lime?
     
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  3. TheBeerdedCharmer

    TheBeerdedCharmer Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 24, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Both great ideas!
     
  4. ratrod53

    ratrod53 Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2010 Indiana

    If your could smoke some wood for the amber might give it a warming twist.
    Yes lime sounds good for your saison
    good luck. Hope they go fast.
     
  5. frothy_80

    frothy_80 Initiate (0) May 19, 2013 Missouri

    I would try figs in the saison. Figs and oranges go really well together, at least in the culinary world.
     
  6. TheBeerdedCharmer

    TheBeerdedCharmer Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 24, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    I like the wood idea. Never would have thought of figs for the saison. Sounds interesting.
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think a very light touch of cinnamon or chocolate would go well in the amber, but I don't think I'd add anything to the saison since you already have orange peel in there. (Unless the orange is too weak, then you could add more of it.)
     
  8. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Nothing. You're bastardizing the whole point of 'cask.'
     
  9. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Nothing, cask is not a vessel that you should through spices and any other adjunct in. It just needs to go under secondary fermentation, and dry hopped if the style calls for it. Cask beer shines with simple styles, that are well conditioned. Personally, if I saw those two beers on cask somewhere I would avoid them.
     
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  10. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    Just condition and let the flavours develop, rather than trying to force it.
     
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  11. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    Not quite sure why people are so opposed to the idea of adding ingredients to a cask. Plenty of breweries do it.

    Lone Pint is tapping a cask of Yellow Rose with jalapeno, lime peel and enigma hops tomorrow. Hoping to try it.
     
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  12. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    And its not very good. Cask conditioned Yellow Rose with nothing added is absolutely stunning. Every time I have one of their cask IPA's with all the additives, it is a complete mess and ruined.
     
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  13. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Cinnamon and lemon zest.
     
  14. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Putting these concoctions into cask makes as much sense as putting tomato soup in a paper bag. It's simply not what cask is all about. Cask isn't just another thing to put beer in , it affects the flavour and development and beers like this make no sense.In fact , if not properly carried out (and I have my reservations about any place putting these into a cask) the beer will quickly stale and go out of condition.
    Good well brewed IPA doesn't need any thing else , just to be left alone and shine for what it is.If you think it needs something adding, look to your brewing skills.
     
  15. Chknwngbrwng

    Chknwngbrwng Zealot (710) Apr 16, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Id add smoked peat to the Saison, give it a peppercorn steak sort of flavor. For the currant, Id add siracha and pineapple to give it a back of the mouth zing, and some added sweetness to counter the currants.
    And to those who feel no additives should go in a cask, Jacks Abbey used to do one once a week and was some of my most memorable beer from them. I get your side, but this is just a fun thread that promotes creativity, not negativity.
     
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  16. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    This exactly.
    And this.
    Cask is a method of dispense. Try a Randall if you want to fuck with flavors on a small scale.
     
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  17. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Bingo.
     
  18. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Plenty of American breweries do it. It's because we have the condescending attitude that we can make anything better, and everything better than everybody else.
    We can't.
     
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  19. TheBeerdedCharmer

    TheBeerdedCharmer Pooh-Bah (1,652) Oct 24, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    As stated, the casks belong to an account. Meaning a bar. They requested we put something in them, something will go in them. There is nothing wrong with simply cask conditioning a beer by itself. There is nothing wrong with adding some ingredients to give it an interesing flavor profile you wouldn't get otherwise.
     
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  20. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    I'm w/the traditionalists and agree w/those that say add nothing. the cask process produces all kinds of unique flavors -- don't defile w/weird additives beyond hops. understand why you want to and will add something and it will probably enhance the marketing -- but the CAMRA types that frequent BA aren't going to play your reindeer games.... good luck w/whatever you do!
     
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