IPA Ignorance

Traditional IPAs were on Nitro and made by Guinness? If you used a brewery's IPA thats been around longer I think you would have made a better point.

If a beer is marketed(as advertised) as an IPA, I think its ok for people to say its not hoppy enough, when it comes to a bigger brewery. I haven't had the Nitro IPA but I have seen the advertisement and seems like its targeting the American market.

 

Who is he insulting?

From that thread, from Ron Pattinson:

'Anything meant to be kept for a long time had a shitload of hops.
Britain was well known for heavy hopping in the 19th century. And it worked. British brewers could export beer in barrels anywhere in the world, unrefrigerated, and it arrive in good condition.'

And: http://zythophile.co.uk/2010/03/31/ipa-the-executive-summary/

From which: 'We know that...in 1843, “the Pale Ale prepared for the India market” was described as “carefully fermented, so as to be devoid of all sweetness, or, in other words, to be dry; and it contains double the usual quantity of hops.”'

 

I have seen the Guinness Nitro IPA but every time my hand reaches for one I see the word nitro and my hand quickly grabs something else. Sure it is not an American IPA nor intended to be one but the nitro washes out the hop bitterness and you end up with a pleasant enough beer - very creamy and what not but the hop bitterness is attenuated. If that is what you want, why not just get a Boddingtons and be done with it?

 

I would say when you call people out by calling them ignorant that is an insult, maybe not to you.

The op clearly states he believes IPAs were created to survive the voyage to India, that isn't accurate. I am not familiar with the quote from the first reference by Ron by the 2nd reference provides no evidence that IPAs were invented to survive the voyage to India. Actually, reading that link disproves that theory.

 

Maybe you should try it first, before you form an opinion and try to defend the beer?

 

Based on the verbiage it sounded like he, like many, were still Under the assumption that pale ales were extra hopped to survive the voyage thus creating the "IPA". I could be wrong and if so I would me more than happy to apologize and admit my error....cheers!

 

Maybe you could stop being ignorant and realize it wasn't brewed specifically for the voyage to India. Read up a little. http://www.beerchurch.com/beer-info/the-truth-about-ipa/

 

This is the Internet...I barely understand what I write here...Anyway, perhaps he did misunderstand, who knows?

 

A guy discovers beer. And then the guy reads about this thing called beer style, and believes it's actually an old concept. The guy decides he is an expert now and will comment freely as experts sometimes do.

Ok, a lot of people have been there.

But then the guy decides he has read just enough to to tell people what's what.
Someone read 9 books and decided to write the tenth.

Good God man. Enjoy your authentic English IPA as brewers have always intended it for the India Export market. Think what you like. But please don't confuse your understanding of beer style and beer history for fact.

Face palm.

 

But surely this is his main point: '...It should not be grapefruitty or any other fruity. It should not be piney.

In reality the American IPA should really be given its own classification as it is an entirely different beer (and an often very good one at that).

So, please, stop reviewing original IPAs as though they were American IPAs..'

Isn't it an interesting one?

 

There are beer styles, and then there are beer types. Pilsners, British Pale Ales and other subtle but complex beer styles that have a similar structure fall under a single type for me. There is a great deal of under appreciation for these beers globally. From what I hear, its not just an American problem.

 

That's like saying death metal shouldn't be called metal because it's too different from Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath.

 

In my experience:

1) "IPAs were made to survive the voyage to India"
2) "People who believe that are misinformed"
3) "Actually, its more complicated..."
4) Blah blah blah
5) Blah jlkjslkgslg
6) Oh look, Two Hearted who cares.

 

McEwans Export is sold in the US as McEwans IPA...most people dont get it they are expecting something entirely different...

 

I don't understand...I loathe rock music, but at least you mention British groups!

 

For the most part I could care less but when someone starts a thread calling people ignorant then I care.

 

American IPA is enough of an evolution from English IPA to be considered an IPA. Same goes for death metal being an evolution of early heavy metal of the 70s.

 

My recent reading has simplified the story. Beers of the 1700s had extra hops added to them to survive travel, period.

The hoppier pale ales in the Indian market were very popular. These "pale ales prepared for the Indian market" were shortened to "East India Pale Ale" in the early 1800s. This "style" was brewed by the British, and the settlers in the US brewed multiple English styles. Ales remained popular until lagers became more popular in the late 19th/early 20th century. Bud Light still sells quite well last time I checked.

Heady Topper is good.

 

Rough first post for OP....but it ended up being a very entertaining thread. Kinda weird that Guiness IPA was the motivation for numero uno after 6 years as a BA.