New traders who don't have time for a simple reply

I had this happen with someone with a couple hundred trades. I said I had a bottle off their list and told them what interested me from theirs to get the ball moving. No reply at all and then a few weeks later they posted the same thing again. That's when I hit the ignore button on a person and check another one off as someone I wouldn't want to trade with. Someone with all those trades under their belt would reply I'd think.

 

Think of it this way; is that really someone you want to trade with anyways? I know I wouldn't want to build a trading relationship with someone who is always looking to max out on all their trades.

 

I've started to see a lot more of this recently. Where people respond, genetically agree to a trade and then go silent after "checking when they get home from work", only to then indicate they don't have said beers anymore, presumably because they found better deals etc. The newer people don't know that you can see when they were last in the site, so it's extra frustrating when they are listed as in a conversation but just don't reply to people hanging and pretend that they were busy at work.

Not sure how to fix this, but just seems to happen more frequently especially when certain beers get released and the board blows up. To the above point, I end up realizing these are people I don't want to have as trading partners in the long run. But the wasted time and waiting just means it will take longer to land the beers I'm looking for. And some for the holidays as gifts make the time crunch more frustrating. In the end the good news is it's just beer, and still plenty of good trading folks around. Just makes the established network of folks that much more important going forward.

 

You may want to rethink this one. I always respond to every inquiry I get within 24 hours or so, but I do have other obligations in life. If you sent me a link to this thread after not hearing from me for 8 hours, you'd probably get a snarky response from me too.

 

I'm into my third year or so in trading, and I've had tons of great experiences. Lately, though, I'm getting more and more responses from BAs offering something other than my ISO. Sorry, but I'm just not going to respond to most of those.

 

Over a month ago I sent a friendly BM to a 2007 user with well over 100 trades offering exactly what he asked for. Read it immediately, no response. It's frustrating to me when it happens with the venerated old guard because you know they have earned the right to blow you off. Like I just have to eat the insult because if I called him out everyone would rush in with the "great guy, great guy" stuff and I would look like the asshole.

On the other hand the international trade I mentioned above ended up going through after he got back in touch... and we are now on our second round of trades so maybe I am just too uptight?

 

I've just been leaving the conversation and moving on. I normally hit ignore so I don't mistakenly answer another of the person's ISO threads again down the road. I'd never send additional messages or call them out though. Just move on and try to find another trader that I can hopefully make a lasting partnership with and count on. I've met a few people like that and that's made trading fun and worth it, especially when they send some killer extra knowing I'll love.

 

Yeah I mean I would never call a person out just for not responding, that was the wrong choice of words. I do add them to my DNT list which may require an explanation on my part later if they try to get in touch (it has happened…) or if people try to put us in touch (the person is involved in BIFs that I am a part of)

So yeah, calling them out was the wrong phrase but maybe just having to confront the issue of them being on my DNT list...

 

It's fairly obvious when someone is shopping around offers but if there was any doubt I wouldn't reply back. I'd eventually delete the conversation and ignore that person, too many good traders to deal with douche bags.

 

I am so sick of BA's not responding. I agreed in principle to a trade with a BA and they never answered back after I I agree to the trade in principle. Then they posted there beer for another set after we agree in principle. I feel like outing this person but don't know if I should. I will never trade with this BA and don't think they belong on this site or others. I feel like they were running an auction. Thank god I didn't lose any beer or anything. But I believe there needs to be a thread for people who post and don't respond. Yeah it's not necessarily a bad trader but I wouldn't want to trade with some like that. It's becoming the norm and I hate it. Traders beware. From now on I will either trade with regulars or not trade at all. Just my 2 cents.

 

This has happened several times as of late with me as well so I understand the frustration. Try to look at this as if they just did you a favor, ignore them, and move on.

 

Completely understandable. I know who this BA is and will never trade with them. But what about the community? But when/where are these BA's held accountable for their behavior? I'm ok being blown off. But this BA blew me off and then posted their beer ISO:FT for something else. I just don't understand what this place has come to. I'm glad I have met the great people I have from this site.

 

Just a question: do you consider hashing out details an agreement to trade in principle? For example, if I say to you "How bout this?" and then list

2x X
3x Y
5x Z
for
2x A
4x B
6x C

and then you say "Yeah, that sounds good" and then I respond with "Sorry I decided to go with someone else." Is that, in your eyes, backing out of a trade? I guess I'm asking at what point you consider the "virtual handshake" to take place? Maybe when addresses are exchanged?

 

I feel like if the BA that posted the ISO:FT post messages you back an offer for the main bottles in a trade and you are working out a plus on their end its agreed in principle. Especially when a plus on their end was never discussed. The main part that upsets me is BA's reading your message after they have gone silent and not responding with a 10 second response. All it takes is "I'm not interested anymore". Life goes on.…Its only beer but if you invest your time in a trade and the OP goes silent. Then you see they posted a new ISO:FT post for the bottle you were negotiating for without a response not being interested. It's just rude.

 

In that example, you make an offer and he accepts it. That is an accepted trade imo... the next step is sending/accepting a trade request to make it ba official.

 

Unless the other person is really slow, I try to negotiate with only one person at a time even if I have multiple offers. If we can't work it out, I'll move along, but that avoids any messiness with fielding multiple offers.

 

I'm having the opposite problem being a new fish around here. I can't get vets to help me out or even reply to my messages offering trades, even for stuff on their ISO. I'm looking for a sensei and I will not let you down if you're still looking to help a noob get started.

 

I've felt for several years that people were always grousing about it being better "yesterday" & how the current crop of traders just wasn't as good as the old-timers. I've been rolling my eyes at this talk for a long time.

Now, I think it's true. For me, there's been a marked fall-off in trading in all sorts of ways over the past year: ranging from not bothering to answer messages to bald-faced lies. I've had a couple of really good deals with new traders in 2015, but I'm starting to not get the "yee-ha" feeling in the groin when I work out a trade with a new partner anymore...because it could go sideways in so many ways. Inevitable, I suppose, but too bad anyways.

 

You can usually tell in the first few messages if someone is a good/honest trader or an asshat who's trying to outright win the trade.