Need opinions on my stout

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  1. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    So I made a stout. And it doesn't taste good. Like at all. Here is what I used.

    2 row pale
    Flaked oats
    Chocolate Malt
    Carafa II
    Black Barley
    Roasted Barley
    Hopped w/ Columbus
    Yeast - US-05
    Also added a cup of Lactose during boil

    I wanted a dark, roasty, chocolate forward stout that was chunky and chewy. What I got was a super light bodied and bitter (from the barley im guessing?) stout that tastes almost acidic. I mashed at 154 hoping to get that thick body, but to no avail. Opinions on where I went wrong/what I can do to achieve what I'm looking for? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Quantities?
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Could you please provide more details? What were the amounts of the grains you used either in percentages or pounds?

    Cheers!
     
  4. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Without knowing the amounts? Carafa II, Black Barley AND Roasted Barley seems like (potential) overkill. And 154F won't get you 'chewy', ever. Gotta go higher.
     
  5. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    72% Pale.
    7% flaked oat.
    10% Chocolate.
    3% Carafa.
    3% Black Barley.
    3% Roasted Barley.

    Hopped at 60 and 15 for roughly 60 IBUs.

    What's the highest I can mash at without burning off sugars?
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Mashing at a temperature like 158 degrees F will result in a wort that has a lot of dextrins. The result will be a beer with a higher final gravity and more body to the mouthfeel.

    Cheers!
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Very high mash temps don't burn off sugars. They denature enzymes that would otherwise be converting starches into sugars.

    I would be very hesitant to go above 160F. In fact, I've never gone quite that high.
     
  8. boothbeer

    boothbeer Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    When people ask for quantities, we want to know how many pounds of each grain. I'm guessing you didn't use enough pale.
     
  9. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    What boothbeer said. Nineteen percent roasted grains is a lot of roasted grains. Also, in my experience, 60 IBUs is high for a stout, especially if a lot of those IBUs came late in the boil. The roasted malts and the hops may be fighting it out.

    It may mellow in time and mix well for black and tans.
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Anyone know the difference between Black Barley and Roasted Barley? I thought they were both unmalted highly roasted barley. I know Briess has both (different lovibond), but that's their choice as to what they call it.
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Briess Roasted Barley is something like 300L. Briess Black Barley is something like 500L. But British Roasted Barley's are more similar to Briess Black.
     
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  12. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I can't speak for others but I find percentages to be much more useful.
     
  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Took the first pulls off of this stout today

    Pale Malt - Great Western (3.0 SRM) 56.7 %
    Oats, Flaked (1.0 SRM) 14.9 %

    Brown Malt (65.0 SRM) 5.7 %
    Caramel Munich 60L (Briess) (60.0 SRM) 5.7 %

    Chocolate (Briess) (350.0 SRM) 5.7 %
    Carafa Special II (Weyermann) (415.0 SRM) 2.8 %
    Roasted Barley - 500L (500.0 SRM) 2.8 %

    Brown Sugar, Dark (50.0 SRM) 5.7 %

    og 1.072
    fg 1.017
    srm 47
    ibu 47
    abv 7.3%

    mashed at 156F
    wy1728
    Crystal and Nugget hops
    nibs and coconut

    Smooth and robust with a medium-full body
     
  14. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    Sorry!
    10.5 lbs of 2 row
    1 lb of flaked oat
    1.5 lbs of chocolate malt
    8 oz Carafa
    8 oz Black Barley
    8 oz Roasted Barley

    OG: 1.072
    ABV 7.5
     
  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, too much dark roast (and wrong yeast)
     
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  16. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I guess I'll be a bit of the contrarian and say it I like it although maybe swap the oat & chocolate malt quantities...but either way, expect a big robust roast character, export stout style...
     
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  17. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    Yeast suggestion? I'm all for wet yeast now that I used it on one of my IPA's.
     
  18. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    4 pounds of roast is your problem, about twice as much as you need. As for the acidity, you need to add some hardness to your water with baking soda to keep the mash ph from going too low. You really need to get a water report and start playing with brunwater or another calculator. Google "mash ph water chemistry" and start reading. Have fun!
     
  19. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    I used pH stabilizer on this. I think I just overdid it with the dark malt. That seems to be the consensus. And yes I'm aware how important water is! Thanks!
     
  20. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Without knowing what your water looks like, we can't say anything about needing baking soda. But, we can say that pH stabilizer (5.2) is a waste of money and should not be used.

    I think your recipe looks mostly OK, I would have gone lighter on the black barley. I'm surprised that some lactose and 7% oats did not give you a semblance of chewy, but a higher mash temp would have helped.

    You might consider this a blending beer or a cooking beer.
     
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