A Barley Wine for Every Day

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    This beer is almost the perfect middle of the road barley wine. When I think "barley wine," Old Horizontal fits. I mean that in a good way. It's not too this... not too that... except that I find it to be too harsh. It's not a smooth beer. It's chestnut in appearance and with a fantastic head. Being middle of the road can also mean lacking in personality, and I suppose this beer isn't strong in that department, but it's a beer that I hope continues to stick around.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks Jess. I wonder why they didn't just go with the safer "old ale" considering the beer's name and that there probably wasn't an established consumer group for something specifically called "barley wine" (I'm guessing about the latter). I guess "barley wine" was evocative of what he was aiming for even if he couldn't exactly call it that.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks for the memories, but that ending saddens me.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I was very much looking forward to this beer. Two Roads Brewmaster Phil Markowski used to work at Southampton, and a long-aged Southampton 10th Anniversary Old Ale was truly great. A heavy and complex beer. (Wish I had one this month) Add to this that the Two Roads beer claims to be "blonde"... I'm interested.

    The beer does not live up to the 10th Anniversary experience, but it has lots of personality. This bottle is a year old. It's a lovely amber and possesses a clarity that is really striking for a barley wine. The carbonation is minimal. The sweetness is intense. It feels like a dessert beer. The beer tastes of sweet dates and is very smooth. It is both a disappointment and a standout. Lovely beer. It would be great in the right moment. There's not many like it on the shelf.

    The beer gets its evocative name (20 Ton Ale) from the old 20 ton overhead crane and hook that existed in the factory that is now the Two Roads brewery. I think Two Roads had a great vision and business plan - I could see them sticking around for a long time.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    BTW, yesterday, I was at a holiday party and ended up breaking my barley wine streak.

    In place of a barley wine, I had: Full Sail Session Fest (new to me, loved it, @TongoRad , if you aren't familiar with this polotmavé, be sure to check out the commercial description), Long Trail Double Bag (enjoyed much much more than the last time I had it), Brooklyn Insulated (still disliked it), Sierra Nevada Torpedo (always liked this beer), and Lawson's Super Session #2 (delicious, wish I could buy a six pack)... and the Lawson's beer was a great segue to Two Roads 20 Ton Ale.
     
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  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, "Old Ale" wouldn't have meant much to the average US beer buyer in '75, either - but Anchor wasn't exactly the size to worry about an "established" group of buyers - they were still brewing well under 10,000 bbl/yr. I suppose, based on the various stories, that Maytag just got interested in UK brewing and barley wines in particular. I've never found any evidence of a post-Repeal US beer labeled "barley wine" and only a few casual references in the pre-Pro era, using it more as a nickname/descriptor rather than a beer "style". Was checking my files and here's an early Old Foghorn label - not sure it's the first, but it dates back to the era when they were bottling in the champagne split bottles of 6.3 oz. - before switching to the 7 oz.'ers. As seen, "ALE" is much more prominent than "Barleywine" - so a proto-beer geek of the era unfamilar with BW would still get the idea based on "Ale" and the text.
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    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    This one uses fruity american hops in it and you can taste them. They lend a citrus tang and a some spice and pepper to this really strong beer which is impressive. hazy rust color orange with a scant tan head. Only a mild trace of abv on the nose. It's very nutty and has a good mouthfeel. It's not too syrupy but the bigger they are the more it can feel like that. The residual sweetness in the finish is balanced by those amercican hops in a way I can't quite put my finger on. Some warming in the swallow. This is excellent.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Awesome Jess. I didn't know they went from 6.3 to 7 oz. That explains the differences in sizes I've seen for the nips. Did you ever encounter these bottles? Do you know how they were sold?
     
  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks for your post. Do you think that you might buy barley wines more frequently now? That bottle cap looks nice against the celery. I like to open one up when I cook too.
     
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I should have mentioned, too, that the 6.3 splits were green glass. I've always assumed that they were "off the shelf" bottles used for champagne and easily available to Anchor being in California - the mfg. info on the bottle I have shows it was an Owens-Illinois bottle, made in 1984. OI still has a very similar bottle in it's Wine catalog (pg. 12) - only the base is different, the OF bottle did not have the champagne "punt" base.
    "Encountered"? :wink: Oh, yeah, more than that I drank (at least) one. Cannot recall if it was available in sixpacks (as the later 7 oz. bottles were) but I'd guess I bought it as a single.
     
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    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    What I don't like about them is that they are heavy and put me on my seat. I would definitely buy more of this one. It was reasonable at 10 dollars for the bomber and the drink was not heavy or syrupy. I think as far as balancing the american citrusy hops and the beer they did it really well. The american hops are a bit of excitement to the palate and they accent a marvelous nutty quality. The brewer calls it walnut and it sure is.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    This beer was a pleasant surprise. Greenport is a brewery that I would consider "local" to me. Not too long ago, they expanded beyond what their original space could accommodate (a familiar story). They opened a second larger space and began bottling their beers and packaging them as six packs. I've had Anti-freeze in the past, and my recollection of it was much different. It was light and sweet. The beer in this bottle was dark and intriguing. It looked a bit like cherry juice and even tasted a bit like it too. Very nice subtle tartness. I'd try this one again.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    This beer might be too far outside of the barley wine spectrum. Since Lagunitas actually makes a different beer that they brand as a barley wine (unlike this one), this wouldn't come as a surprise. There appears to be a duplicate (?) listing of this beer here that lists it as a barley wine. The ABV is certainly high enough, but this beer drinks really easily for the ABV - so easily that one wouldn't peg it as a barley wine if had blind. The feel is so "Lagunitas" that it's hard to think of anything other than America when drinking it. The sweetness is unavoidable. This might sound strange, but this beer reminds me of a Biere de Garde.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    When I've had this beer in the past, I didn't care for it... and I still don't (I believe in second chances). This has been the least enjoyable beer so far this month. Too bad - these guys make an amazing stout. The description claims that there is peated malt here. I don't pick up on it at all. This beer drinks as if it had the ABV of a big barley wine, but none of the malt flavor to go along with it - a terrible combo. Where's the reward in that? Maybe the oak aging played a part in throwing the balance off. It got better as it warmed, but it was too little too late. Small head for an American beer.
     
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  15. luisfrancisco

    luisfrancisco Zealot (642) Dec 1, 2009 Mexico

    I also love English Barleywines. Awesome thread going on in here. My favourite has been a 10 year old vintage of JW Lees Harvest Ale. Better than a Thomas Hardy. I am also a huge Yorkshire Stingo fan. What a great beer. If it wasn't that pricey I'd buy the shit out of it. Another good honorable mention is Hand and Seal. But alas, also in the pricey category. Most of the ones I have really liked have been expensive.

    Which barleywine would you guys say is the equivalent for Old Rasputin in Imperial Stouts (as in very good, easily available and cheap)? I've never had old stock with age on it, but fresh it just seems too hot/harsh to me.
     
  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I'll throw in my two cents when I'm through with this thread, but one problem is that barley wines just simply aren't as available as imperial stouts.
     
  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The first sips of this beer hit you with that bourbon character that people tend to love. There is plenty of coconut. It's a decadent and flavorful treat. Unfortunately, as is sometimes the case with beers that start strong out of the gate, the punch wears out its welcome midway through the bottle. I prefer their barrel aged Scotch ale.
     
  18. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Just kegged 8 gallons of a massive English Barleywine which was aged in a rye whiskey barrel. The barrel previously held my 13.7% Imperial Stout w/ 3 different types of vanilla beans (left them in there when I transferred the Barleywine). It's one of the best Barleywines I've had and I'm not just saying that because I brewed it, and it's easily one of the best beers I've brewed. I've had a couple pours from the keg but it's time to get it into bottles and into the cellar.....I imagine it'll be top notch in a year or two.

    Cheers!
     
  19. Yabu

    Yabu Savant (1,150) Feb 4, 2015 California
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    Agreed !

    It would depend where you are located? If Uinta Anniversary Barley Wine is available to your area, might be a choice. ( I choose it randomly, was very happy with the purchase) A four pack for $9, a value/flavor is great.
     
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  20. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Sounds really good!
     
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