A Barley Wine for Every Day

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The second beer from Central Waters didn't fill my mind with good thoughts when I poured it. It appeared to suffer from the negative effects of oxidation. After I adjusted to the beer, it turned out to be a real winner. This is an example of the kind of strong ale that I've been waiting for this month but didn't quite get yet. It provided a layered, malty, rich experience. There's a herbal bitterness in the back end that clashed a bit in the beer. While having the second half of the bottle, this flavor started to take over and unfortunately resulted in a Ricola quality.
     
  2. SudsDoctor

    SudsDoctor Pooh-Bah (1,739) Nov 23, 2008 New York
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    Mind sharing where you found the Ballantine Burton? I'm on Long Island (Suffolk County). Thanks.
     
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  3. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    The first beer that came to mind is Sierra Nevada's Bigfoot. Although it's seasonal, so that sort of makes the "easily available" part a bit problematic. Of course, you could always buy a case and drink it throughout the year and beyond...one of the best beers to age in my opinion.
     
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  4. drocpsu

    drocpsu Zealot (613) Dec 25, 2006 New Hampshire

    Uhh, that would be New Hampshire. Portsmouth, NH.
     
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  5. DrStiffington

    DrStiffington Grand Pooh-Bah (3,740) Oct 27, 2010 New Jersey
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    Yeah, I bought it on my way through NH when I STAYED in Maine. Then I brought it back with me from Maine. Happy?
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thirsty Dog Bernese
    Great beer. This is coming across far less hoppy than the last time I had it. This might be due to the fact that the previous time was on tap and was likely much younger. Would like to try again to get a better grip on it.
     
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  7. RUN-4-B33R

    RUN-4-B33R Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2015 North Carolina

    Try Middle Ages (Syracuse) Druid Fluid. American Barleywine.
     
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  8. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Would love to. Middle Ages is not given enough credit for their malty beers.
     
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  9. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Blasphemy!!! :stuck_out_tongue:. This and the Scotch Ale are in my upper tier beverages.
     
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  10. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    When is everybody going to learn that I embrace blasphemy?
    (Shroud, you outta know)
    OK, I'll add a little more info. The Scotch ale is one of the most satisfying bourbon-yadda-yadda beers that I've ever had. I've had this barley wine before (on tap) and thought it was nice but nothing I'd run back to. This time around, that first sip was fantastic. It just didn't hold it's spell over me much after that. Maybe I'll love it on a different future date. Sometimes a beer just tires me out and frame of mind is always a factor.
     
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  11. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    I dig, I dig. I know how you feel. Sometimes I drink a brew and it doesn't hold attention. Try it again and Bam! I need a new pair of boxers.. The Scotch Ale is on the same level of greatness like that of Wulver and Backwoods Bastard. Central Waters' doesn't distribute here, so when I get to try their Barrel Aged Brews I already set in my mind it's going to be better than Barrel Aged Beer X :rolling_eyes:.
     
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  12. luisfrancisco

    luisfrancisco Zealot (642) Dec 1, 2009 Mexico

    I like SN Bigfoot, but I think it's too hoppy/bitter to be considered an English Barleywine. I've tried one year old bigfoot and while the hoppyness had faded somewhat, I still found it bitter.
     
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  13. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Ah, I didn't know you were looking for an English Barleywine. Sierra Nevada out of the gate is about as American as they come, more or less a double IPA when fresh.

    I find it takes a minimum of two years for the hops to fade at all, and it's still fairly hoppy at that point. After that I haven't noticed much of a difference until year 5. After 5 years it's one of my favorite beers ever, such a rich, malty brew and the hops have taken a back seat (but still contribute to overall flavor profile).

    If you want to wait 5 years, I would say the beer becomes more English in character by that point.
     
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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    There have been times when the first sip of a beer tastes heavenly, but I end up struggling to finish it. Volume is an underrated thing here. I liken it to music. Sometimes, the stuff that ends up earning your deepest admiration is the stuff that didn't sound great at first, but slowly won you over... whereas the stuff that proves immediately pleasurable doesn't end up sustaining any satisfaction.

    Central Waters is a good brewery. My favorite might be Mudpuppy Porter. 5 1/2 percent and flavorful. Just wish they consistently dated their product.
     
  15. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Barrier Archibald

    Barrier is a brewery that I would consider local to me. They are a relatively small operation. Drinking this beer, I couldn't help but think of how easy it is to lose a brewery. One of my favorites, Pretty Things, is ending their run. Their beers will be no more. When the brewery lives and breathes due to just a couple of people, it's easy for it to stop. Barrier was almost wiped out by Hurricane Sandy. Hard work (and some support from the brewing community) allowed Barrier to get back up. They are still operating despite any setbacks. They bottle infrequently but this might now change.

    This beer exceeded my expectations. It's a highlight of the month so far. It was aged at the brewery for a year. It reminded me of bread pudding with a little caramel, but it managed to avoid being cloying. Really fantastic. I could drink more of this. The amazing thing, is how a little local brewery can put out a beer that overshadows the other beers I've had so far. This isn't due to home-team favoritism. I was once a big fan and drank much of their output. Recently, I've found myself dissatisfied with brewery visits. I was unhappy with their beer, and also experienced far too much substandard beer from other "locals." This barley wine has renewed my faith. Loved it.

    The moral of this story? Don't look at your locals with rose-tinted glasses, but keep in mind that they might be putting out beer that will rock your socks off... and you should enjoy it while you can. This one goes out to @ecpho
     
  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    New additions (I hope this is the last group shot). I felt the need to have more English beer in the thread.

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  17. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    This sounds Delicious! I'm a fan of English Style Barleywines. I also agree with you on the don't give up on Local Breweries. I almost gave up on DuClaw. Then I tried Guilty Filthy Soul. That brew changed my mind on them. I will purchase that brew again if they decide to brew it again.
     
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  18. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Maven (1,433) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado
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    What? Not 30 days of Thomas Hardy's? I recently had a Hardy's from 1981 which was still incredible! Very cool experience. I honestly think I'd tire of barleywines after a week or so but power to you! Quite the collection.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Kulmbacher Eisbock

    Yeah, it's a bock, not a barley wine. This is the Captain America of beers... frozen, thawed out, and pushed to the physical limits. Hopefully Captain American won't be upset by the German comparison. I was hoping to have a lightbulb moment where I'd perceive the differences and similarities between the two types. I gained no such thing. This bottle could be very old, and I'm suspicious that the changes due to oxidation helped to hide the differences between the two beer types. I don't get the clean qualities that might be expected. This beer poured a cola brown and tasted of prunes. At times, it tasted entirely different from any of the strong ales I've had this month (a unique sweetness), and at other times, it wasn't too different (dark fruits). I bought another Eisbock (as the previous post shows) and I'm curious if I'll get a more rigid experience.
     
  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    That beer always reminded me of a ramped-up Celebrator (which isn't such a bad thing to be :wink:); and I think it's in a different sort of substyle that features that spiciness and dried fruits as part of its makeup. I think it's really cool how they get those qualities out of a lager, but I could see how it would be a surprise it one went into it with the expectation of just getting a pure hit of melanoidin-rich Munich-maltiness.
     
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