Sour Crap

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by maximum12, Aug 21, 2012.

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  1. merc7186

    merc7186 Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2010 New York

    Why is it that when someone gets a beer that is not to their liking...it instantly must be infected. With that being said, Cigar City Big Sound Rum Barrel was awesome...and actually infected.
     
  2. olympuszymurgus

    olympuszymurgus Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2009 California

    That's like getting angry at Jolly Pumpkin for not listing Madrugada Obscura as sour....
     
  3. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Dude, wow, no need to be a jackass. But you're doing a great job.

    And sorry, but I don't research every single $8 purchase I make. I make beer impulse buys, without the need to consult the wisdom of the fucking masses.

    Not only that, but your whole premise is flawed. Believe it or not, THERE ARE THOUSANDS, MAYBE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE on Earth who don't know about BA. Are they idiots too?

    Maybe it's just simpler to say "The brewer should have labelled his beer accurately."

    Just maybe.
     
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  4. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Ha! I should have known it would be you, sour-lover-boy.

    And yes, I was angry. You put "roasty, dark, chocolatey," blahblahblah 160 words describing the beer & can't be bothered to write "sour" or even "tart" you deserve to have rotten dung thrown at you. In that case I knew JP made mostly sour beer & was jazzed to try something that might not have been in that vein.

    Yeah.
     
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  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Whoa whoa whoa. So they call a sour a barleywine and you'll never buy from them again... but if they had bottled an IPA and called it a barleywine you would be delighted? I don't care if a bought a PBR, that shit better be full of PBR. You can't fault them one way but champion them for doing it with a style you like. But I have heard you can cellar a DIPA and make it a barleywine...
     
  6. HopsJunkiedotcom

    HopsJunkiedotcom Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2010 Florida

    This has been quite the thread so far. Time to pop more popcorn...nom nom nom
     
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  7. robinsmv

    robinsmv Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2010 Florida

    You are aware that microwave popcorn has diacetyl right? I'd hate for your feathers to get ruffled because it wasn't on the label and therefore must be a flaw :wink:
     
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  8. HopsJunkiedotcom

    HopsJunkiedotcom Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2010 Florida

    I wouldn't use fake butter flavoring if they paid me in beer(and I've done a lot worse for beer). I pop mine on the stove, little sugar, little salt, lots of lurking on BA. Repeat.
     
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  9. robinsmv

    robinsmv Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2010 Florida

    Actually I just checked my Orville redenbacher and it says no added diacetyl flavoring, so I guess diacetyl would be a flaw. A delicious buttery flaw.
     
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  10. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    I'm such a beer geek, the only popcorn I'll touch is Orval Rodenbacher.
     
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  11. RochesterAaron

    RochesterAaron Initiate (0) May 24, 2007 New York

    So if I'm understanding the argument here, the bottle is clearly labeled as a Biere de Garde and OP assumed that meant not sour. Or he skipped Biere de Garde and focused on Barley Ryne?

    A quick look at the Top Beers page for the Biere de Garde style shows 3 of the top 5 spots held by JP brews so you can safely assume they probably contain some brett and/or bacteria. One of the other spots is BFM, a brewery I'm not personally familiar with but that seems to be well known for funky brews. It seems to me that the "best" representations of the style are known for being part of that huge sour umbrella.

    Price paid, lesson learned. I pick up beers without knowing exactly what I'm buying from time to time. Usually they suck, occasionally they're great. Nothing to get mad about. One of the first craft beers I picked up years ago was a Biere de Garde and I hated it. Now I love the style, but I've also grown to love most sour styles.

    Also infected is not the same thing as inoculated. People throw infected around a little too freely.
     
  12. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Touche'!

    However, I like IPAs. I've never met a soured "rye barleywine" that I'd willingly pay for. That's the weak point I was making, & I wouldn't have bought it if I'd known it was soured.
     
  13. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Wrong & wronger.

    From that beer website. I don't see much mention of sourness in there. Maybe you read diferently.

    Bière de Garde
    Description:
    The Biere de Garde is golden to deep copper or light brown in color. They are moderate to medium in body. This style of beer is characterized by a toasted malt aroma, slight malt sweetness in flavor, and medium hop bitterness. Noble-type hop aromas and flavors should be low to medium. Fruity esters can be light to medium in intensity. Flavor of alcohol is evident. Earthy, cellar-like, musty aromas and flavors are okay. Diacetyl should not be perceived but chill haze is okay. Often bottle conditioned with some yeast character.

    BFM is "well-known" for funky brews? That's just dumb. I'm on this site multiple times per day & I've never heard of them, so if they're "well-known" I don't know to whom. If you're going to Monday morning quarterback, at least try to throw a spiral.
     
  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Whoops. Good catch. Not at all sure how I messed that one up.
     
  15. DougOLis

    DougOLis Initiate (0) Aug 15, 2008 California

    BFM Abbaye de Saint Bon-Chien is a pretty well known sour even though it is not labeled as such. Hell, Stone just had a few different vintages of it at their Sour Fest. As far as I know though, BFM doesn't have any other sours.
     
  16. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Dude, wooaaah, like no one is calling anyone names like man, well, no, that's not true, you are, dude brah, chillax, brodude,

    but I said simply you shouldn't come on here complaining if you don't do your research. Make all the impulse buys you want, but don't come on here complaining that boo hoo I had no idea what this beer was gonna taste like when easily providing us with that info is the main thing this site does.

    Well, no, I guess you can come on here complaining if you want to, but don't expect to gain sympathy from those who don't complain when impulse buys don't work out, and use the site reviews. What next, complain that Fantome saisons don't advertise they have bottle variation? Oh, boo hoo, fellow beer advocates, this bottle of Fantome tastes different than the last one I had, why didn't they warn me on the label? Oh, this Orval tastes like it is infected, itmust be a bad batch I want my money back.

    Labels aren't always the end all be all. Impulse buys don't always work out, and it isn't always somebody else's fault. Why don't you learn this instead of attacking those trying to teach it?
     
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  17. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Meh. You win some, you lose some. Move along.
     
  18. Blanco

    Blanco Savant (1,243) Oct 11, 2008 Pennsylvania

    No one is saying you have to research any beer before you buy it, but if you do, you are intentionally making a less informed decision than you could be making and therefore should expect less accuracy than if you did research. It's fine not to research or ask the beer guy (I do that plenty of times) but I also expect to know less about what I'm getting into when I do that.

    Also, you essentially argue against your own complaint when you say all would have been fine if it had been an IPA labeled as a barleywine.
     
  19. merc7186

    merc7186 Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2010 New York

    From this point forward, I am going to refer to CaveDave as Brodude!!! :slight_smile:

    OP, The point that several people are trying to get at is that Shit Happens when you make a blind choice at purchasing an unknown bottle...Go knows we've all been burned from labels, it happens and you move on. I know you weren't looking for sympathy from anyoe and had a pissed off moment and vented here...your execution of said venting was poorly done. You really missed the mark when you crapped on the rating though...it would be hard for some people to take your ratings seriously becase of one non subjective rating. I had the misfortune of tasting a can of Bud Light Lime a rita recently and I still couldn't give it all 1's. Subjective is keyregardless of style preference or mood.
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I didn't se this turned into a thread flaming you, so don't take this as such. I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. :wink:
     
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