Trade feedback advice sought

It's been just about discussed to death. Some will say move along, some will say OK, some will say plaster the negative feedback.

Personally, after being on both sides of the fence at times, I think you should hit the "OK" button. If there isn't another side to the story (there almost always is) then people should know that this character hit the 'accept' button then bailed out. There's more & more of this behavior going on. But you didn't lose anything, besides time & aggravation, so negative feedback isn't warranted, IMHO. But I'd like to know what happened if I thought about trading with this person.

Don't worry about retaliation. If you read the trading rules that'll get the other person in deep doo-doo if it's done.

 

I think you should leave negative feedback, that sounds like a bad experience to me. The guy sounds like an ass and I wouldn't want to trade with him, negative feedback would be a nice red flag, ok feedback doesn't count against their reputation.

 

@kyleryan

So let me get this straight: You and this person agreed upon a trade which was your Abraxas for their IPA, then the person stopped replying. Weeks later, they ask if you are planning to send BA Abraxas and not regular Abraxas but since its regular they don't have time to ship?

A few notes/questions:
1. What exactly were they supposed to send in return for the Abraxas?
2. Was the trade formally accepted on BA by both parties?
3. If the answer to #2 is YES then the trader in question needs to be called out and this thread moved to the bad traders section

@blue-dream @F2brewers What do you guys think?

 

Whatever you decide to do, don't base your decision on receiving retaliatory feedback. Retaliation is against the rules and it's my understanding that people who do it get pretty swift and definitive justice.

If it were me, "OK" is the best possible feedback this person deserves, and they probably deserve negative feedback.

 

Few follow up questions:
- Did you agree to a shipping time frame?
- Did you ship out anything (i.e. are you out bottles?)

I assume from the above, that you had agreed to ship, but never did because of the radio silence?

If that is the case seems like you dodged a bullet, and neutral is the best I would leave. Frankly I would leave negative and say they backed out of the deal. Don't worry about retaliation - that is instant ban territory right there.

 

There's seems to be a mixed consensus about leaving bad feeback if no beer was lost but this isn't a person I would want to deal with and I'm sure there's other people who would feel the same way

 

This is definitely bad feedback. You don't have to have your beer stolen to have a bad trade - the person completely backed out of an agreed and accepted deal a few weeks after the trade, wasted your time, etc... This 'I don't have time' is utter bullshit. They were looking for a better deal.

Absolutely deserves the ding - other people need to know who they are dealing with...

 

Agreed. Bad feedback, for sure. I don't see much grey area here.

 

This, exactly.

Report the retaliation and we will take care of it.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that negative feedback is the way to go...you don't accept a trade and then back out. We can argue forever about when a trade is consummated, but I don't think there's anyone here who realistically thinks that clicking the accept button and then flaking is acceptable.

IMO, the guy should lose his trading privileges. @Todd ?

 

Agreed with all of the above that it should be negative. What would have happened if you had shipped the next day after he accepted the trade? Based on this person's behavior I bet you'd have been out your beer.

 

I'm personally of the opinion that this is an OK, not a negative. With a comment in the feedback on what exactly happened. I'm of the opinion that people should read all comments with OK and negative feedback. If they see the feedback and want to trade (presumably by locking down the trade in conversation and making the guy ship first), I could see how others would still consider trading with the guy based just on this set of events (I haven't read the other feedback mentioned).

That seems overly harsh, but maybe I get where you're coming from. I'd say more information would need to be gathered for that to make sense though. Not to doubt the OP, but there's almost always a second side to a story. Sorry @kyleryan... nothing personal, its just happened too many times in here that the original poster isn't being 100% forthright and before getting rid of someone's trading privileges, someone needs to take a bit closer look.

 

I wouldn't trade with his partner. Ever. Dude doesn't deserve to be part of this community.

You accept the trade...you make the trade.

Bust a deal...face the wheel.

 

Can't rec this enough - too many aggressive traders are looking to 'win' the deal in the first place; add in people who want to back out of their trades if they think they can get more or just changed their minds... Shenanigans I say!

Agreed - sending a screen shot of the conversation (or at least the last few messages where the guy backs out) would seem fair before withdrawing trade privileges, but if that is pretty cut and dried... Personally I don't think it is necessary, as anyone with less than 100% is going to have a lot of explaining to do on future trades, and that is what feedback is for after all.

Do we really want the Mods to have to police every thing like this? Isn't that why we have feedback in the first place?

That said, I don't think @F2brewers is proposing banning the guy - but suspending trading privileges - it can always be undone if the above isn't completely true. If in the aftermath it turns out that the OP isn't being forthright, I imagine the ban hammer drops with some alacrity on said OP...

 

The feedback system needs to be used properly. In this case, whether beer was exchanged or not....we all can agree that the *trade accept* button was hit. That's as good as a handshake or your word. Backing out shows what type of person you are. Unless you want this to happen to others, you need to warn others of the *shady tactics*.

Bottom line (IMO)....this should be *negative" feedback.

People shouldn't be afraid to leave negative feedback when its rightfully deserved. The feedback system is only as good as the users who use it.

 

So is there any resolution to this? What was your decision @kyleryan?

 

And there's the rub - since everyone can't agree on that single word. But I think we can all agree that there should be some feedback left, the trade shouldn't just be left to expire, & it shouldn't be positive. We'd all want to know that a trader was pulling this kind of stunt before we get involved with them.

@kyleryan what's the verdict?