Flour in Boil?

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  1. sts9fan

    sts9fan Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2015 Massachusetts

    I have been reading some other threads on turbidity and noticed the addition of flour to the boil in a few recipes. I have also noticed that the pro brewers that have the hazy hoppy beers don't seem to use flour. Is this just a home-brew way to fake the funk? Or does it add something else? I plan to test it myself but am interested in opinions. I know this has been brought up in other threads but wanted to break it out.
     
  2. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I've heard of commercial breweries using flour; it's not just homebrewers. If you want to guarantee haze, it seems this is one way to do that. I've never tried it but I intend to the next time I brew a hefeweizen. I was going to start with just like one tablespoon per 5 gallons to see what it does. My gut tells me that that seems like about the right amount, and might even be too much. Definitely don't want to overdo it or you'll have a lot of unconverted starch in your finished beer, which can not only turn it overly milky white but also might give something for any stray bacteria or contamination to munch on long term. In any case, as long as you limit the amount to something very tiny like a tablespoon or less, it shouldn't affect the flavor at all, just the color/turbidity. Much more than that, and it might taste doughy(?).
     
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  3. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've heard of adding flour to the end of the boil to create haze in German styles/Belgian styles that it would be appropriate for. Hefes, Wits, and the like. I've kegged a few hefes that floc and pour clear after about a month of cold-conditioning. @dmtaylor I've seen 1T used as a measurment for 5 gallon batches too. That sounds about right.
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    It could also get used in "wild" beers to add some long chain carbs for bugs to chew on.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    This for sure, and it is easier than doing a turbid mash. It can be a shortcut to get haze in Wit beers too,
     
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  6. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    Since you mention hazy hoppy beers it seems important to note that I've had great "success" in the past creating hazy beers with significant dry-hopping. I suspect that's how many commercial brewers achieve the same success.
     
  7. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I assume there would be unconverted starches so you'd want to make sure all of your sanitation procedures are locked down
     
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  8. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Why not just find grind the last lb of grain into barley flour?
     
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  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Unfortunately, barley has major husks, so if you make flour of it and boil it..... will likely generate tannins from being boiled for very long in low concentration (very unlike a decoction).
     
  10. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Ok,then dehusked barley, if it exists
     
  11. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    If you dry hop heavily, that will cloud up the beer plenty. Use a low flocculating yeast that you are all set without the yeast addition.

    I have an IPA I dry hopped with 4-oz of Azacca (US-05 Chico Yeast) and it's still cloudy months later in the keg... And that yeast usually clears pretty well!
     
  12. Bissel328

    Bissel328 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2015 Massachusetts

    Ive been using a dry wheat extract as a late addition (with loads of hops) in my IPAs while combining with 1318 and have been getting some super hazy brews
     
  13. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I see what's happened..... High hopping rates will cloud the beer....... So then the average American joe says that cloudy IPAs taste better.... so then the commercial breweries catch on to this and purposely guarantee that their beers will be cloudy by adding flour, even though it is starch haze and not hop haze..... average American joe says, "wow look how cloudy this beer is, wow, it tastes great" and has no idea of how stupid this all is.... rinse and repeat tens of thousands of times.......
     
  14. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Maybe a portion of German Wheat Malt for the last 5 minutes. Roughly a tablespoon. :grinning:
     
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  15. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    I quoted myself for all my typos (my apologies...), but can't edit after some time.

    Supposed to say:

    If you dry hop heavily, that will cloud up the beer plenty. Use a low flocculating yeast and you are all set without the flour addition.

    You can always use more wheat as well in the grain bill, which adds proteins/haze. The perfect storm would be a low flocculating yeast, wheat in the grain bill and heavy dry hop...
     
  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Clear beer can be made with 4-6oz of dry hops. No filtering. No finings. No extra long settling time.

    My current batch was made with 8oz of kettle hops and 4oz of dry hops. 2 week primary. 5 day dry hop. 7 day cold keg carbonation. It was clear on the second pour. This happens often with 1728.

    The same beer would be murky with 1098, but would be clear before the dry hop.
     
  17. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    One of the more seasoned members of my brew club routinely throws a 'handful' of flour into his Hefe and other beers that are traditionally hazy. Sounds like cheating, but he's won an awful lot of medals, and it's hard to argue with that! :wink:
     
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  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    In that case, use two handfuls of flour for a legit gravy beer.
     
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  19. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Try corn meal and see if it winds up hazy enough. Flour seems a bit too easy to overdo
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Okay, I'll bite... why would flour be easier to overdo than corn meal?
     
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