Found an old bottle opener...

Discussion in 'Breweriana' started by FieldGrade, Mar 5, 2016.

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  1. FieldGrade

    FieldGrade Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2016 Idaho

    I took the dogs for a hike looking for shed antlers this morning but it's a little early for our Deer so I didn't find any....I did however find this cool old opener at an old campsite up on the North Fork....

    It's seen better days but you can just barely make out "Wielands Extra Pale" on the handles....
    There's not a lot of info on the www but from what little I found and the old cone top collector cans on e-gay it's probably pretty old...there's plenty of life left in her though and I love old chit so I'm happy with my new trinket....

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  2. puboflyons

    puboflyons Grand Pooh-Bah (4,299) Jul 26, 2008 New Hampshire
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    I have one like that with the classic brewery Krueger embedded into the metal.
     
  3. scottbrew4u

    scottbrew4u Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2005 Pennsylvania

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    Nice find!!
    My old opener is my favorite. Works great! Don't know how old it is. From my wife's grandfather and it is simple but made to last.
     
  4. FieldGrade

    FieldGrade Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2016 Idaho


    That a nice one.....it's in a lot better shape than mine but that's what happens when metal objects lay around in the woods for lord knows how long.....
     
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  5. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    [​IMG] Check out what l just posted on a thread the other day...! Wieland's was from San Jose -my little town of a million. I'm super jealous! If you need any amount of bottlecaps and/or a local beer and are willing to part with that, let me know!
     
  6. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    I found this ... http://sf.curbed.com/2012/4/27/10376190/then-now-wieland-brewery

    Back in the day, San Francisco was full of breweries (76 to be exact). The Wieland Brewery was located on a block of 2nd Street, between Howard and Folsom, from 1856-1920, and housed all the brew tanks, bottling facilities, and offices. John Wieland, gold miner, baker and beer baron, bought the already thriving Philadelphia Brewery, eventually becoming its sole owner and renaming it Wieland, and building it into one of the most successful and largest breweries on the west coast. Wieland died in a fire in 1885, and the brewery was sold to San Francisco Breweries LTD (but continued to operate under the name Wieland Brewery), who also owned three other breweries in town.

    The building was badly damaged in the 1906 Earthquake, but rebuilt on the same site. They tried to restart after prohibition in 1920, but never got into production. By the 1930s, the brewery moved to San Jose, where it remained in production until 1956. Today the original site on 2nd Street is occupied by the Marine Fireman’s Union, which was constructed in 1957.
    . SF Brewing History [website]
     
  7. FieldGrade

    FieldGrade Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2016 Idaho

    Good stuff SBc.....thanks a lot.
     
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  8. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    You're welcome...I just hope l can be so lucky on my next hike!
     
  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The Wieland's brewery didn't "move to San Jose" - John Wieland bought the Fredericksburg Brewing Co. of San Jose before Prohibition. After Repeal, that brewery was purchased and reopened under new ownership as the Pacific Brewing & Malting Co. 3 years after Repeal, Pacific revived the Wieland's brand, which became their flagship brand.
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    That brewery was bought and became Falstaff's first west coast facility* in 1952 and it remained opened until 1973.
    (* Falstaff later bought the old Burgermeister brewery in San Francisco in 1972, which had been previously owned by Schlitz and then Meister Brau, and soon announced they would close San Jose).

    Some breweriana sources claim that PB&M in San Jose went by the name "Wieland Brewing Co." right before being purchased (1951-1952). That appears to have been only a dba, since that is not what appeared in the news reports.
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  10. FieldGrade

    FieldGrade Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2016 Idaho

    Maybe...maybe not......as an avid student of the history of the settlement of the west in general and the fur trade in particular one thing I've learned is that historians don't always get history right....nor can you believe everything you see in print.....
    One thing I am sure of though......it's at least fifty years old and could likely tell a great story if it could speak....
     
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  11. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    [​IMG] ...and a John Wieland's crown from my collection...
     
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  12. FieldGrade

    FieldGrade Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2016 Idaho


    That's cool....looks like it might have come off of one of the Drano/Marvel Mystery Oil looking cans I saw on the www...

    How many caps do you have.....
     
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  13. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    Just under 6000 different beer caps, almost half being from the U.S.. No soda, wine coolers, non-alcoholic beer, etc.
     
  14. BallantineBurton

    BallantineBurton Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2012 Massachusetts

    Wire bottle openers are the best for opening bottles with crowns that you want to preserve. And by the way, I could always use a Wieland's crown.
     
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  15. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    Do tell of this "wire bottle opener"! Really, l'm not sure what that is. It sounds interesting. as far as the Wieland's cap goes, now, let me go see..
     
  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not sure what this refers to, but the history of the connection between the San Jose brewery (known as "Fredericksburg" pre-Pro and Pacific Brewing & Malting after Repeal) and SF's Wieland's is easy to trace using contemporary sources. They were both part of the San Francisco Breweries, Ltd. one of the many so-called "British syndicates" that swept the US brewing industry in the late 19th century, and they even had brewmasters who might have been related (Alois had a son, Frank A., also listed as a "brewer" in geological sources). Alois continued as the brewmaster at the SJ brewery after it was re-opened as Pacific Brewing & Malting following the 21st Amendment.

    As noted in the ad above and the list below, Pacific, did not initially brew "Wieland's" beer after Repeal. So, the Wieland brewery did not "move to San Jose" as claimed, although one could say that the "Wieland" brand did, and by the '40s, it was PB&M's flagship brand.

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    Also of note, the PB&M's vice president, August Geoffroy, appears to have been the pre-Pro brewer at another San Jose brewery, Garden City Brewing Co. It seems PC&M used the "Garden City" name as a dba for their short-lived "Old Joe's Steam Beer"*, although some sources also have SF's Milwaukee Brewing Co. (which became Burgermeister) used it as a dba, too.

    * (Contrary to Anchor's history, several other "steam beers" were revived after Repeal).

    Falstaff's purchase of the Pacific brewery and their shutting it down is equally as well documented.
     
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  18. srgehl

    srgehl Crusader (437) Oct 22, 2014 New Jersey

  19. FieldGrade

    FieldGrade Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2016 Idaho

    What it means is....you and SBC both posted different histories of the company...of which either may or may not be accurate...who knows.....as I stated....I don't believe everything ever printed by a scribe who's paycheck depends on a deadline.....

    Matter of fact.....I recently read three different books (by "historians") about the Mormon Massacre at Mountain Meadows and got three different versions......
    Again...."historians don't always get history right".....

    All I know for sure is that I found a cool old gadget on a nice day in the woods with my dogs and thought I'd share it.......
     
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  20. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    "historians don't always get it right"...this is true. For instance, by many local accounts, The Fredricksburg Brewery in San Jose was actually at The Alameda and Lenzen Avenue...not Cinnabar St.
     
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