Can an IPA be TOO balanced?

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  1. Mlkluther

    Mlkluther Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2014 Canada (AB)

    im drinking an IPA brewed by one of the local Brewers in my area. I am finding it very disappointing. There is just nothing that stands out - it's balanced but bland.

    I suppose I've been contaminated by the North American IPA and expect a hop punch in the face. However, can an IPA be too balanced?
     
  2. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,220) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    Apparently, yes. So many of us will encounter an IPA that balances -even moderately - between hoppiness and malt character and immediately brand it as a "malt bomb" and consequently a failure. At this point a beer like that is going to be very unpopular among (north) American beer geeks. Once in a while I can get behind an old school DIPA that has lots of sweet maltiness propping up the hops but only as an outlier, a one-and-done, and I'm ready to return to a drier beer that has the hops in clearer relief almost immediately.
     
  3. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Not sure I follow the question. I understand how any style beer can be bland, or have flavors that don't mesh, or be in balance, or out of balance. The definition of IPA seems to be an expanding one.
     
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  4. hopnado

    hopnado Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2014 Michigan

    I think you mean blessed
     
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  5. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Relax and enjoy the ride. Or perhaps. Eat something with it.
     
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  6. Ipaupaweallpa

    Ipaupaweallpa Savant (1,022) Dec 26, 2014 Alabama
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    Pataskala was like that. But I still like it
     
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  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If a brewer's goal for a beer is for it to be balanced, then that beer needs to have a hop combo using hops that I really like or I'll consider it to be too boring to drink. (And I'll call it a pale ale.)
     
  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It can, see Jai Alai.
     
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  9. jssf

    jssf Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2015 California

    I have great respect for Firestone Walker, but have always been underwhelmed by their IPAs, often citing this reason. I did quite enjoy the slightly more hop forward nature of Luponic Distortion.
     
  10. LittleGus

    LittleGus Crusader (476) Mar 13, 2008 Minnesota

    Nope. And can't be too unbalanced, either.
     
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  11. HeilanCoo

    HeilanCoo Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2014 North Carolina

    This is what is wrong with American beer. If it does not leave your lips bleeding then it is 'boring'.
     
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  12. archiebunkerjr

    archiebunkerjr Pundit (910) Oct 25, 2010 Michigan
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    When I think of balanced IPA, I think of Bell's Two Hearted.

    No, I don't think an IPA can be too balanced.
     
  13. 4truth

    4truth Pundit (806) Jan 30, 2015 Illinois
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    A sense of balance should be one thing that makes an outstanding beer stand out. Bland ≠ balanced.

    While not technically an IPA, Row 2/Hill 56 on tap was a memorable example of excellent, delicious, harmonious balance.
     
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  14. Mlkluther

    Mlkluther Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2014 Canada (AB)

    Ok - a perfect example. Thank you!

    I can't get Two Hearted in Canada. This past summer I was in North Dakota and picked up a pack of 4 Cans of Two Hearted. My wife laughed at me as I acted like I'd found the holy grail.

    I get back to the hotel room. I pour the can into a glass. The nose is subtle. I taste it. It's good. Tasty. But it's not - great. It's not awesome. I'd drink it every day all day. It's a good beer. But it didn't blow me away.

    What's wrong with me?

    Now, the first time I had Sucks. Wow.

    Or Ruination.

    Or Enjoy By.

    And it's not that I have an unsophisticated palate. I appreciate all kinds of wine and I'm also a conneseur of wine and scotch.
     
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  15. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Maybe this is a continuation of the balance/impact thread http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/beer-impression-balance-vs-impact.389628/. I think a well balanced(which some think is a bad descriptor) beer in an IPA, is a beer that has all the right parts in sync, you know the malt is there, there is enough bitterness to tame the sweetness, and the hops shine thru with whatever flavors that you are looking for (varies by person). I think balance is a personal preference vs an industry judgement. You might like yours sweeter/hoppier/more bitter than I do.
     
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  16. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Wouldn't an IPA that's too balanced be a pale ale? :astonished:

    I think I know what you mean, though. I don't care as much for IPAs that overdo the crystal malt. They become too syrupy sweet once the hop flavors start to fade.
     
  17. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    "Too balanced" ?
    Only if you don't like it. :wink:
    I do like that, once in a great while. Now, if I could only remember what that was. (Really.) Any suggestions? Or just let it age?
     
  18. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Give it up. IPA is no longer a defined "style" All IPA means anymore in the US is that what is being offered is hoppy. It's a flavor descriptor nothing more. Stick IPA on the end of almost any other style and you will see what I mean. A balanced (IPA) is a pale ale.
     
  19. jzeilinger

    jzeilinger Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,847) Dec 4, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Any more, when it comes to hoppy beers, "Balanced" is all subjective.
     
  20. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Soooooo, what is wrong with American beer, if I get your meaning, is that brewers choose to brew beer styles that are popular.

    Let me know if I got your meaning right, as it appears you are advocating that brewers disregard popular beer trends in choosing what beers to make.
     
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