Pre prohibition beer

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  1. muck1979

    muck1979 Zealot (555) Jul 3, 2005 Minnesota

    Including Grain Belt??? :wink:
     
  2. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,220) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    This has been a very informative and interesting thread, thanks to all the knowledgible contributors here.

    But seriously if you could combine any animal and beer style to most closely reflect your personality what would it be? Cats and Vermont style dipas right guys? Cats right??? Amirite? Heady vs cats, who wins?
     
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  3. ekim650

    ekim650 Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2016 Oregon

    Wow this is a lot of info to soak in and to be honest most of it's over my head. Thanks for all the replies. Just to fill you in on what I think was a very enjoyable all malt pre prohibition style pale lager was this stuff! Drank it all last summer and it never got old.They use 2-row barley and noble hops. It's kind of a malty lager that you can imagine was served in bars back in the old days.
    Hope to get it on tap. You should try it!!!!!
    https://untappd.com/b/orlison-brewing-co-clem-s-gold-pale-lager/58787
     
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  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The problem with discussing "per-Prohibition Beer" is the same as making general statements about "American beer" or even "Craft Beer" today. Even if we limit it to US-brewed beers post-Revolution, there were numerous ales, porters, stouts and common beers brewed before the arrival of lager yeast in the 1840s.

    After that, different US ale styles were developed, German immigrant brewers introduced top-fermenting "weiss bier" and the soon-dominant "lager brewers" brewed numerous styles of bottom-fermented and lagered beers- some with adjuncts, some without. At first the most popular were in the "Bavarian" style and then in the "Pilsner/Bohemian" style. Just the Top 3 US brewers at the turn of the century brewed or had previously brewed these beers with very different recipes- different hops, malts and abv's:

    Anheuser-Busch - Budweiser, Faust, Michelob, Pale Lager, St. Louis Lager, Erlanger, Black & Tan, Liebotschaner, Standard.
    Pabst – Select, Bohemian, Bavarian, Hofbrau, Export, Red, White & Blue, Century Brau, Kloster Brau, Doppel Brau, Bock.
    Schlitz – Budweiser, Pilsener, Wierner, Erlanger, Culmbacher, Schlitz-Brau, Extra Stout,Porter, Extra Pale.

    So, what is a "pre-Prohibition beer" recipe? All of them.
     
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  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    It is a bit more complicated than that, according to 1903's 100 Hundred Years of Brewing (pg 37 or 52, depending on edition):
    I don't think anyone knows where Boca got it's malted barley - or, if like a number (but usually a minority) of brewers at the time, they malted their own. The first malt house in California was started in 1853 in San Francisco - by 1900 there were 5 independent maltsters in SF. But what barley(s) did they malt?

    Adjunct usage in the US really took off when the lager brewers of the day attempted to brew the light "Bohemian/Pilsener" styles beer - many of the Bavarian-type lager beers brewed in the US apparently used the available malted barley in the US with no problem.
     
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  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I did not mean to suggest Yuengling doesn't also use Clusters along with Cascades for Traditional Lager:
     
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  7. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Chevalier is being revived on a pilot scale. It is apparently quite different from modern barley.
    https://www.jic.ac.uk/news/2013/04/beer-brewed-from-victorian-barley-variety/
    Every town or often village in England seemed to have a maltings. There are so many people living in "the old maltings"
     
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  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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  9. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    @hopfenunmaltz , Just curious, did Bell's ever do anything else with those wooden fermenters?
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I think they are still waiting for the next batch. I saw those on a tour on Monday, that is what the tour guide said.
     
  11. sosbombs

    sosbombs Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2016 Vermont

     
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  12. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    Tastes do change. Whether they mature is a question open to debate.
    :grinning:
    But there are a number of historical American brews I would like to have tried. Fortunately, at least a few were still around when I started partaking of beer.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Have you tried homebrewing a reconstruction of those beers? if so, how did they turn out?

    Cheers!
     
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