Wolves & People

I'm not Cellar Club member, and so I don't have a dog in this fight. So take this with however many grains of salt that you want.

Looking over the thread, the primary complaints I see all surround an apparent lack of transparency, along with the inordinate amount of time this appears to be taking. One of the complaints I saw JouerAvecLeFeu make, was that some of the announcements regarding upcoming changes in plans at W&P, he had to read about in this thread, as opposed to receiving a personal email from W&S. I know for a fact that would piss me off royally, if I were a member.

My other concern has to do with the amount of time this whole process appears to be taking, and the fact that the kickstart investment start-up shields W&P from a lot financial risk.

Just to play devil's advocate here, would you say that things would have moved along as slowly in this case, if the folks at W&P had borrowed their initial start-up cost from a bank, and were paying more and more interest each day, with no way to repay it, until they were able to start selling their beer? I'm guessing the answer is likely no, and I'm guessing that this same thought has crossed the minds of more than few W&P investors.

One of things I've learned the hard way in life, is that "free money" often times has little or no value to the person who receives it. I know if I were a Cellar Member, at this point I would be starting to have similar thoughts in the context of my kickstart investment with W&P.

 

I think I understand that pretty well. However, it doesn't sound as if the folks at W&P understand the concept very well (as they're the one's making the promises, not me).

 

For a fact? No. Based on what I read in this thread (and the original announcement), my impression was that they were trying to avoid that, and that this was the reason for the kickstart.

Do you have additional information?

 

Agreed, and I'm not trying to rag on them about this. Just trying to provide some perspective, from the viewpoint of a cellar member who has been waiting a considerable amount of time to see the fruits of his/her investment.

I think THEIR concerns and disappointment are understandable, and I find it a bit puzzling when I hear someone act as if a few extra months is no big deal, so what's with all the belly aching. But then I've never been known for my patience, and have a strong preference for instant gratification.

 

Could well be, but even so... a $48,565 interest free loan is a pretty nice disincentive to move very quickly.

Again, just playing devil's advocate here, but I've certainly seen plenty of instances where getting interest free money (with no specific pay back date) has had a very strong, adverse effect on the recipients repayment plan motivation.

 

Ha ha.... I know just what you mean. That's actually the primary reason I didn't join the cellar club to begin with. Given how easy it is to obtain great beer around here, with almost no effort, why do this?

 

I've always been told, that a little Schadenfreuding, with some warm apple strudel and dollop of fresh whipping cream, can be a beautiful thing.