DIPA / IIPA help

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  1. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I have brewed plenty of hop forward beers, but havent attempted a DIPA / IIPA. I would like some help with the recipe. I am going for more of a NE style with it and want to use Pilsner because I have some left over from a previous batch and the Citra is a tad old, so I cut the aa by 4 ibu's. Really wondering if the Crystal, mash temp and sugar amount is correct. Here is what I have and I think I am close:

    5.5g with a 90 minute boil
    65% brewhouse efficiency
    mash @ 152F
    1.082 og
    1.022 fg (8.0% abv.)
    72 ibus

    10# 2 row (48.8%)
    6# Pilsner (29.3%)
    3# Flaked wheat (14.6%)
    8 ounce Crystal 20 (2.4%)
    10 ounce Carafoam (3%)
    6 ounce corn sugar (1.8%)

    2 ounce Citra @ 30 (37.6 ibus)
    2.5 ounce Citra @ 10/hopstand (22.2 ibus)
    2.5 ounce Citra @ 5/hop back (12.2 ibus)
    8 ounce galaxy dry hop (2 ounces 3 days into fermentation, 4 ounces 5 days into and the rest after a week)
    4 ounce amarillo dry hop (2 ounce 5 days into fermentation and the rest after a week of fermentation)

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    What yeast are you using, and are you planning a starter?
     
  3. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    1318 London III yeast. Not sure if I am going to pitch off a slurry from a previous batch or make a starter off a new pack. either or, I will have enough yeast cell for this.
     
  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I'd cut the wheat to 2 lb and use carapills instead of carafoam for less sweetness. Otherwise looks good. Have fun
     
  5. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I personally prefer wheat malt over flaked wheat, and 12 ozs of dry hop seems like a crazy amount. I get a ton of aroma using 5 - 7 ozs. I would move some dry hops to post boil. Also, I think by moving the hops you can increase your ibus just enough.
     
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  6. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    Agree with the dry hops. I personally like 5-6 oz with big late post boil additions. Otherwise looks good to me.
     
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  7. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    there are two additions in hop stand/whirlpool and hop back. is that what you mean by post boil? I just put them in at 5 and 10 minute additions to calculate the ibu's accordingly
     
  8. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Yes, so with that being the case I would probably do some 10 min and maybe 5 min. You could easily transfer an oz or two to 10 min or 5 min and still have 10/11 ozs of dry hops, which I think is still plenty.
     
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  9. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I didnt know there was a difference between the two - thought they were the same thing from different malsters, but good to know!
     
  10. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    can you tell me why you prefer wheat malt over flaked wheat? I can always gain knowledge!
     
  11. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I just did a NE style apa and dry hopped with 6 oz. and thought it was perfect. I will try 10 ounces on this one, thanks for the input!
     
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  12. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Wheat malt is fully modified so it's easier to extract sugars and I feel leaves less wheat like flavor. Flaked wheat is raw so it will provide more protein for more body but also can add that grainy wheat like flavor. Since I treat my water for IPAs I don't want the wheat adding too much body or flavor. This, malted wheat adds some body, color and sugars.
     
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  13. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    In my experience adding more hops past that 6/7 oz threshold for dry hops yields very little difference.
     
  14. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @drink1121 , that looks tasty! I think it will turn out damn good. My only recommendation is your SO4:Cl ratio should be somewhere around 1:1.5. I would aim for 140 SO4 & 200 Cl to accentuate the softness of the grain. You starting from RO water?
     
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  15. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    yeah starting from RO. I have cl at 150ppm and sulfate at 90ppm. this is sort of what I have been doing for single IPA and APA's like this. I have been wanting to increase the sodium a bit to 50ppm and without adding any baking soda, I need to do about 2 g of sea salt. you think this will be too much?
     
  16. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    I would stray away from any sodium. Sodium and hops not a good combo, the risk of it being pervieveable is more than the reward of extra mouthfeel imo. Your call tho.
     
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  17. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    My 2 cents is to try and get your FG lower. Do you like a sweeter IPA/IIPA? If so, I guess you could leave it higher. I have had a IIPA finish at 1.016 and I felt like that was the upper limit for me. I recently had an Epiphany from Foundation Brewing out of Maine. Excellent NEIIPA. The can says it has a FG of 1.009 for an 8%. It is not the least bit thin at all but rather very chewy with just the right amount of sweetness to balance the hops.
     
  18. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I changed the mash temp to 149F and added a few more ounces of sugar - this brings the Fg down to 1.018. I think this is a good spot based on the yeast I am using (only will attenuate about 75% at best)
     
  19. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I don't think you'll be disappointed. You may get better attenuation too. I have got 80% and a little better a few times with 1318. I usually mash at 150 and add anywhere from 10 to 12 oz of sugar. I aerate with pure O2 for 90 sec and raise it up close to 70 by day 7. Those factors all seem to help. Good luck!
     
  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Even for a NE style IPA that sounds a little low of a IBU:OG ratio...For a IIPA that ratio is not linear taste-wise, imho
    How sure are you of that ratio? Are you bagging hops? Your utilization may be lower than you think.
     
    #20 GreenKrusty101, May 10, 2016
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