The 750 Saison

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  1. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Working on a farm in hot sticky 100° weather id drink a gallon of stout if thats all there was lol.
     
  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thiriez Blonde

    I wanted to start this thread with Saison Dupont and it only made sense to follow that up with some yins to that yang. The current version of Saison Dupont is supposedly the same recipe dating back almost a century. Fantome, on the other hand, supposedly changes some of their recipes year after year. It's the yeast that brings me to Thiriez now. In the land of the American yeast banks, the "Belgian Saison" yeast is believed to be derived from Dupont. This yeast is notoriously difficult to work with. The "French Saison" yeast seems to have become the popular choice because it doesn't present the same challenges. This yeast is believed to be derived from Thiriez. There are those who believe that the Dupont yeast provides much higher rewards, but it comes at a cost that most aren't willing to work with. As one might expect from the name of that yeast, Thiriez is in France, near the Belgian border (but their yeast actually came from a collection in Brussels).

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    If the above doesn't look appealing to you then you might be on the wrong website. You'll notice that there's quite a bit of banners for English bitter there. The brewer apparently cares for this style more than the locals. His Extra (a really nice beer) was inspired by bitter.

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    I haven't had the "Blonde" before and didn't know what to expect. I think it's their flagship beer. The American label calls it a dry-hopped French farmhouse ale. I think most American folks associate "Blondes" with the Belgian Pale Ale style. It looks like the brewery website calls it a Biere De Garde. This is typical of these beers even though it would make a beer geek's head spin. The brewer was looking towards Belgian beers for inspiration. The labeling system is just different from what a US enthusiast is accustomed to.

    The first impression of this beer is WOW. It's bone dry - incredibly so. The grassy and earthy hops are loud and clear. It's immediately refreshing. (Has a green beer bottle ever looked more refreshing than this one?) There's a tiny bit of funk there in the beginning. The beer is a stunning bright amber. The first half of this bottle really impresses me with it's character. Then a strange thing happened. The second half of the bottle took a different turn - maybe due to the beer warming up, or maybe due to me perceiving it differently after already having some. The grassiness and dry character became much less apparent and the beer became far less enjoyable. A really unexpected and unfortunate turn. Keep in mind that I'm the unreliable narrator.
     
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  3. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Where did the bottle reside between pours? No it is our damned palate I think that bites us in the ass every now and then.
     
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  4. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    If you are asking that due to the green bottle then that's a very smart question. Kitchen counter during the day. Could that have influenced things? Maybe in this case, but I'm always inclined to go with your second thought - that it's likely me and not the beer.
     
  5. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    I have had the same thing happen to beers before, loved the first pour, then the second/third weren't the same. I have gotten where if I ever get a green bottle in a shipment I immediately wrap the bottle with paper and tape it. I have found that most I have had shipped to me are pre wrapped from the brewery. Might not be a bad idea to throw some newspaper on those remaining ones, or at least make sure they aren't out exposed to light between pours. Have fun
     
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  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    In a sense. But it's also perfectly normal and natural at the same time. Palates will always acclimate to certain input, but the great beverages continually have other layers that step up and take their place.
     
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  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Now I'm moving on to a trio of American saisons brewed with flowers. First up:

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    Cambridge Brewing Company Morning Dew

    I was anticipating this beer for two reasons:

    1) I'm only two beers into my sixer of it, but CBC's Working Class Hero is probably my favorite saison in a can. OK, I've only ever had a few saisons in a can, but it's seriously a contender for one of my favorite 12oz saisons.

    2) Morning Dew is brewed with elderflowers. I don't ordinarily put much stock in that, but when I was in Brussels, I fell in love with Saison Cazeau. I'm not going to find any fresh bottles of that beer in the US. Saison Cazeau was also brewed with elderflowers. I wasn't putting too much faith in any similarities as a result, but I was happy to make a wishful tangential connection.

    The first thing you notice about this beer is that the earthy bitterness that was so prevalent in all of the French and Belgian saisons is absent. There still is a noticeable hop influence but it's a very different beast. There's a white wine quality lurking in the back. After drinking the beer, I found out that it is dry-hopped with Nelson Sauvin - so that explains things. I also discovered that it incorporates barley, wheat, rye, and buckwheat. Some modern brewers have latched onto the idea that a historical saison would have incorporated whatever grains were available. I don't know how many brewers use buckwheat, and what beers they are using it in, but I've only seen it in saisons (including grisettes).

    Against my better judgement, I decided to open this beer after a long evening of applying grout to tile. It was fantastic. I fell asleep immediately after finishing it. When I awoke, any other impressions of this beer were lost as if I was trying to hopelessly remember a dream. I went from being eager to try this beer to being eager to revisit this beer.

    It's listed here as a Belgian Pale Ale, but it should be grouped as a saison in my opinion and I will submit a request for this.
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Well said.
     
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  10. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Beautiful!
     
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  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Perennial Saison de Lis

    Of all the saisons so far, this one showcases hops the least. It has a light body and a wonderful soft head. There's also more tartness here than in previous saisons. There's a lemon, green apple and melon quality. It is brewed with chamomile.
     
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  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thank you. As you can see, I'm likely to spend more time talking about dandelions, yeast banks, Michael Jackson or whatever than describing the actual beer, but that's just my approach to things. We've got @utopiajane for all the heavy lifting. :slight_smile:
     
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  13. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Blame palate familiarity.
     
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  14. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Lets see if I can't lift a little Sofie today. See ya later. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  15. Crim122

    Crim122 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2014 North Carolina

    This may be a silly question, but is there a good canned saison that I could possibly purchase for laying by the pool? I swear all the big named saisons are in large bottles.
     
  16. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Viola! You need only to ask. Also doesn't sly fox make their Grissette in a can?

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22150/91189/
     
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  17. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    St Fuillian has cans as well.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maria, yes they do! I have several cans in my fridge; it is a very tasty beer!!

    Cheers!

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  19. ceeg

    ceeg Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2010 New York

    I'm a little surprised, given that you're in New York, that you don't have any Transmitter brews in the chamber. Tho maybe you're not near the city? I'm really glad you started this thread. I love Saisons.
     
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  20. phillyhops

    phillyhops Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2014 New Jersey

    I was never the biggest fan of saisons until I started drinking the 'American style' such as those produced by Hill Farmstead, Tired hands, and especially Casey. The common attributes in all of these are a delicate tartness, mild funk, and a slightly vinous character.
    Fruited saisons, such as the fruit stand series by Casey, are great, but I had their dry hopped saison with Colorado grown cascade hops recently and it blew me away. The way that the hops complimented the saison base was different from what I am accustomed to. For instance, the hopping in Dorothy is immediately noticeable due to an added bitterness that I personally feel detracts from the delicate nature of the base. The hopping of the Casey saison however, added a subtle fruitiness and slightly green notes that made this beer on of my favorite examples of the style. Highly recommended if you can get your hands on some
     
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