Bad (missing) trader @Dino_Sachs

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by stephenherbertmartin, Jun 28, 2016.

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  1. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    @Dino_Sachs has needed to ship a box for over a year now. We had great trade experiences prior to the most recent. Initially he had valid excuses/reasons why his box was getting delayed, but it eventually became obvious that something was up. Each time I reached out he would eventually tell me that the box was ready and he would ship soon, only to go silent until I asked him again. The box I sent for this one was received on his end.

    To answer some of the usual questions; No, we didn't use the feedback system since we had been trading with zero issues prior to the feedback system coming online. Yes, I have his contact info, but it hasn't helped.

    I reached out to the Mod team prior to posting this, specifically because we didn't use the feedback system. @F2brewers tried reaching out to him as well, and since then, he hasn't logged on. Since it seems like he probably won't show back up, @F2brewers gave me the ok to post this.

    I'm posting this because during our good trades, he switched usernames after getting banned for trolling, so it's possible he might try that again. I won't post his personal info, and if you check his profile you can see his location. If there is any concern because you are involved in a pending trade with him, BM and I can give you more info.

    Or, if you know the guy and can talk to him, I'd love to know what's up with this trade.

    If he shows back up, trade with extreme caution.
     
  2. cducap

    cducap Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2011 Indiana

    What did you send? What was he supposed to send?
     
  3. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I'm assuming @F2brewers has already discussed this with you, but I know when reading over your OP, the first thing that jumped out at me was this:

    "he switched usernames after getting banned for trolling, so it's possible he might try that again."


    While I guess that doesn't automatically make him a bad guy, it does suggest that he has little regard for complying with the BA terms of service (which ostensibly, he agreed to when he elected to become a member). Can't say it's exactly a shock that he took the next step and stiffed a trading partner.

    You're certainly doing the community a favor by outing this guy, but... I tend to agree with you. If he can get away with it, I'm sure he'll dump his current account and try to start a new account with a new user name.
     
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  4. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    Certianly possible, John.

    We can monitor that a bit more easily if we're proactive though.

    The point that I discussed with the OP is that this guy is in the retail business in his locale and others may know him/be able to contact him. OP has contact info outside of BA which is also being ignored.

    Not respondong to my inquiries isn't helping his case.
     
  5. NiceBeerCans

    NiceBeerCans Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2013 New York

    I hope the BAD TRADER banner can be slapped on this account asap until resolution. Thanks @F2brewers.
     
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  6. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey


    I hate to be Mr. Obvious or be Mr. Blame the Victim, but A YEAR!!!!!
    Why Have you waited so long?
     
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  7. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Hate to see a fellow CO trader doing the state wrong.

    Am hoping that this gets resolved, but the fact that he has zero feedback, hasn't been online for two weeks and would even consider stiffing a trade partner leaves me with little encouragement. Think that he should have been called out for this long ago...

    What beers are you out @stephenherbertmartin? Am all over the Denver Metro area; let me know if I can be of any assistance.
     
  8. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    Because until recently, he was very proactive at communicating issues that were holding him up, some of which were major life events. I feel like in most bad trader threads, the key issue is good proactive communication and since he was providing that and because he had been a great trader up to that point, I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    It wasn't until recently that it was clear that he had no intention of shipping. Too many posts lately that seem to have jumped the gun, but maybe in retrospect, this is the opposite of that.
     
  9. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    Originally it was a bottle of Brazzle and 6pk of Runoff Red IPA (small local 4 local trade). He messaged me to let me know he was out of Runoff and offered a 4pk of Tree Shaker which I agreed to from there.

    If you have access to anything from Odell I'd be more than happy to send you some FL locals in exchange. I'm not too concerned about what wasn't sent, I just like to try different beers and share them with my friends.
     
  10. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    I sent a 6pk of wake-n-bake and a 4pk of KBS, plus a few local cans that I thought he'd like.

    He was to send the Runoff and Brazzle, or Tree Shaker and Brazzle.
     
  11. Vivified

    Vivified Initiate (0) Jul 9, 2014 California

    That Brazzle is nice
     
  12. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Pooh-Bah (2,116) May 11, 2012 Missouri
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I can't believe the guy would ruin his own rep over a trade where he was only sending you some basic (though tasty) locals., and its not like they'd cost that much to ship either. We get Odell here, if there is something you want let me know (not sure whats all out right now)
     
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  13. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    The whole thing is odd, especially given that he always shipped out without issue up to this point.
     
  14. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Pretty sure I can wrap up a Brazzle if this doesn't get ideally rectified.
     
  15. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    I'm not holding out hope for him to do the right thing, but I'll keep this thread updated.
     
  16. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    I definitely have a bottle of Brazzle that I could send your way, OP. If this guy doesn't come through or if @hunninghake is unable, feel free to shoot me a BM. Cheers!
     
  17. stephenherbertmartin

    stephenherbertmartin Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2013 Florida

    The replies in this thread are proof that this community is made up of great folks. I'm going to give the trader a small grace period, given his involvement in the craft beer community and industry, I'm hoping someone might still be able to point him to this thread. Otherwise, I'd be more than happy to take you or @hunninghake on your offer as long as I can send some thank you beers in return.
     
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  18. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    @LambicPentameter @stephenherbertmartin I'll hit the brewery and some local shops around town this weekend and see if I can locate a bottle. Am pretty sure that there are some around town; just need to find it! I'll reach out to you guys this weekend and update. Always a bummer when this happens, and there are plenty in this community that are happy to reach out and help when needed.

    Talk soon!
     
  19. NiceBeerCans

    NiceBeerCans Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2013 New York

    @Dino_Sachs, you were on yesterday at 2:52 pm. Are you going to make things right with @stephenherbertmartin and give your side of the story on your BAD TRADER thread? @F2brewers, can you start the clock on him?

    Seriously @Dino_Sachs, I hope you come here, explain yourself, make things right, and thus avoid getting banned. I'd like to see a happy ending for a change.
     
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  20. JStampler

    JStampler Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Am I the only one that thinks that the OP should post his personal info, or at the very least his name? I mean, he's already started a second account after being banned so he can potentially do it again and if he's no longer trading on BA, he will definitely start trading elsewhere and I know a lot of other BAs also trade in Facebook groups or other places so I'd like to know a name to avoid.
     
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