Great Notion

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by maltmaster420, Jan 22, 2016.

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  1. EdwardAbbey

    EdwardAbbey Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2015 Washington

    If your palate is to be trusted, I guess I won't have to be hellbent on getting myself down to Portland (or back to New England, whence I came) anytime soon. Smoothie Edition is a very tasty beer, and something of a novelty in our market, but I personally think it's a refreshing change of pace, an occasional indulgence, and nothing more. I'd rather have 3 Magnets (a brewery I highly rate, btw) other I/IPAs 8 or 9 times out of 10 instead. This style works well with breakfast/brunch, like a mimosa, but I'm generally not looking for something somewhat reminiscent of SunnyD in the PM. Still, it's nice to have another option...
     
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  2. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I'll gladly take a $7 22oz of Little Juice Smoothie Edition delivered to my local bottleshop over a $15 Great Notion crowler I have to travel to Portland for. Both are delicious beers, but it's not like we're dealing with a scarcity of great beers. Kudos to Three Magnets for packaging a beer style with a notoriously short shelf life.
     
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  3. Phobicsquirrel

    Phobicsquirrel Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2013 Oregon

    Honestly I don't understand folks balking at 12-15 bucks for crawlers when people are fine driving to tilamook every week or paying 25 dollars for average 22oz beers or 40 dollar sours. Why I do think the price point is a bit high I have a choice to buy it if I like. I'm really having a hard time understanding how some places are off limits when it comes to complaints but others aren't.
     
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  4. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    Not a bad beer by any means, but Little Juice Smoothie is still pretty bitter and not reflective of what's going on back East or at Great Notion.
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    After reading over this thread again, that's not how I'm seeing this. Most folks acknowledge that many of the GN beers are really good, but they're puzzled by the crowler and growler price point, when compared to "similar" beers in the area. It's pretty hard for me to think of a brewery in Oregon that is charging these sorts of prices for a core IPA, and I've yet to hear any explanation/justification for the pricing (outside of the high rent the owners have to pay in that part of NE Portland).

    That being said, of course people are free to do whatever they want, and they can decide for themselves whether it's worth it to pay GN prices. Plenty of folks in this thread have indicated that they feel GN beers are good enough to justify the price point premium. I have to confess that my opinion falls more in line with what sharpski stated above ("I'll gladly take a $7 22oz of Little Juice Smoothie Edition delivered to my local bottleshop over a $15 Great Notion crowler I have to travel to Portland for. Both are delicious beers, but it's not like we're dealing with a scarcity of great beers."). For me, I'm content with beers like Wanderlust and Hop Venom (for example), which are easily obtainable, delicious, and considerably cheaper than the IPA's produced by GN. On the other hand, if you think GN beers are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and no other IPA or DIPA turns you on the way theirs do, then I can certainly understand why you'd have no problem with their crowler and growler prices.
     
  6. RedMedicine

    RedMedicine Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2005 Oregon

    I don't drive to Tillamook every week, I don't pay $25 for 22oz beers and I don't buy $40 sours. So thank you, but I'll continue to be out outspoken, beat a dead horse, and reiterate that I think $15 crowlers are outrageous.
     
  7. jamdugan

    jamdugan Zealot (524) Mar 30, 2006 Oregon
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    Looking forward to this collaboration!

    "Great Notion & Block 15 teamed up blending techniques and ideas from both breweries creating this special ale. Peach Punch is a big luscious IPA, fermented with Peaches & Apricots, and dry hopped with massive amounts of Galaxy & Mosaic hops. 7.5% abv (PYITE)"
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1562280547402120/
     
  8. Raimalise

    Raimalise Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2014 Oregon

    Another great notion win win in my book. Finding delicious ways to remind me how sharing can make beer awesome. Looking forward to it!
     
  9. Phobicsquirrel

    Phobicsquirrel Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2013 Oregon

    I agree that the crowler price is a bit more than I'd like to pay, but then again I do because I really like the beer. Would I like to see them match the pricing a bit more, yes.
     
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  10. Phobicsquirrel

    Phobicsquirrel Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2013 Oregon

    I wasn't singling you out by any means but I do know that I have brought up many problems with de garde and been pummeled by people defending them and for things that go beyond pricing. I'm with you that 15 dollars for a beer in a can is a bit much, but then again what does tank slapper go for in a growler? Some places that do it charge 15 or 20 dollars then you have to buy a growler if you don't have one. Depending on what you like, they are about even in my book. They are more on the high end, but again it depends on what you're into. I feel that the only way things change is by the customer(s) telling places that they won't support them if something doesn't change, and the best way to do that is with money. The only problem is most of the time this doesn't happen and/or people get singled out and given crap.
     
  11. zestd

    zestd Savant (1,071) Jan 18, 2013 Idaho

    I'll reiterate, $15 for a crowler of a core ipa is ridiculous next to the $9 crowlers of Notorious.
     
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  12. boralyl

    boralyl Savant (1,024) Apr 17, 2008 Oregon
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    Then don't buy it and let's talk about more important things like how delicious the Block 15 collaboration has the potential to be.
     
  13. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    NE-style IPAs with NW-levels of bitterness are my thing. Pulp Free, the cloudy IPA from Breakside/Fat Head's commissioned by the SE Portland Growler Guys earlier this year, was phenomenal. The thought of Block 15 working some magic with Great Notion = a whole bunch of AW + YEAH. I don't need to line up for a crowler of that. Just pour me a glass and I'll spend some quality time with it.
     
  14. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Because we consumers pay it, taking away any incentive for the brewery to lower the price.
     
  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    A point you made before and one I agree with.

    On an individual basis, I don't have any qualms with someone who's willing to shell out $15 for a 32 ounce crowler of a decent (albeit nothing really special) IPA. It's their money after all. However, from a global standpoint, it makes me uneasy, just for the reason you suggest. If GN can get away with charging these sort of prices, then I think it's only a matter of time before places like Breakside, Boneyard, Block 15 and Barley Brown figure they should go ahead and do the same. Arguably, their beers are as good or better than the stuff put out by GN, so why not?
     
  16. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Yup, slippery slope stuff. Back when they were still relevant in the craft beer world, Rogue was proud to be the industry leader for pricing. They were the first to switch to 50L kegs, smaller than the standard American 1/2bbl, and still kept the same pricing. We've only ourselves to blame.
     
  17. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Thanks Obama Rogue
     
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  18. derftron

    derftron Pooh-Bah (1,663) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon
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    I think the difference is that GN beers are DIFFERENT. yes boneyard/barley browns/block 15 make great IPAs, but there are a ton of IPAs that are pretty damn close (green flash, alpine, FW Double Jack, breakside, etc. etc.) Like them or not, GN is making beers that are pretty unique for our corner of the world. Not only are they unique, but they are freaking delicious.

    If Boneyard tried to do the same thing with their pricing, I could get a glass of Crux or Buoy and not bat and eye. Way too many west coast IPAs available that are similar in taste/
     
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  19. crusian

    crusian Pooh-Bah (1,989) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    Can't believe you brought up crux as affordable!!
     
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  20. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I think we're just going round and round in circles with this. I agree with you, the beers are different than your typical NW IPA's (in fact, intentionally so, no?). I'm not convinced that makes them better, but obviously, if you think it does, and you feel there's no other local brewer making anything comparable, then I can understand why you (or anyone else) would be willing to pay a premium for the beer.

    At least in my mind, that still doesn't justify the price they're charging (making a "different" sort of IPA means we should expect to pay a higher price?), but it sure seems like that's their reasoning and justification.

    Good as GN IPA's are (and I agree, they are good), it's not as if there's any difficulty finding other really good IPA's in the NW. The same sort of satisfaction I derive from drinking a GN IPA, at least for me, can be easily replicated by the sense of satisfaction I get when I drink a Boneyard, Barley Brown, Breakside or B15 IPA. That was the point I was trying to make.

    Pretty sure I've already said this, but... if GN priced their beers comparably with the local market, then I'd probably like to try them every now and again (even though it's a hassle for me to drive over to that part of town, and parking tends to be a bitch). Because they don't, I really have no interest in drinking their beers or supporting them as a local brewery. Unlike you I gather (and many others I assume), I'm completely content drinking all those "other" NW style IPA's, so no need to pay the GN premium. But again, and as always, that's just me.
     
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