Not washing yeast and repitching

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  1. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I just read a link on another homebrew website that talks about the advantages of packing up yeast slurry without washing it. I've always washed the yeast, stored it and then repitched it. Curious as to your thoughts?

    Here is the web page: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/woodland-brewing-comany-simple-yeast-storage.html

    I just brewed a blonde ale that I kegged 5 days ago and because I was short on time and being lazy I left a few inches of beer on top of the yeast yeast with the intention of washing and storage the yeast that night. Obviously I never did as its been 5 days now. I was thinking that since I want to brew another blonde ale and there is still beer on the yeast cake this simple procedure might work perfect.

    If the yeast and beer are still void of contamination is the yeast still good? The beer sat in primary for about two weeks and now it's been another 5/6 days since I kegged the beer.

    The yeast as been keep in the primary with a few inches of beer on it. I use a speidel fermenter and sealed the fermenter by using the cap that screws on the top. The beer has been kept in my fridge around 38 degrees.
     
  2. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I've done this with my blonde ale that was scaled up to an imperial version and had no ill effects. However, mine didn't sit for that long. I'd say that if you practiced good sanitation principles, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
     
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  3. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    yeah, yeast washing is bad. it removes the protective environment (alcohol and low pH) that beer yeast has made for itself. it increases the chance of contamination for no benefit.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think there's a disadvantage the article didn't mention, and that is that compounds (fatty acids) in trub can be turned into soap. The longer it sits around, the higher the risk.
     
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  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    This is what I have come to believe.
     
  6. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Being lazy, I always skipped the washing process and just saved yeast in sterilized mason jars, but only if I knew I would use it within a month or 2.
     
  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've got friends who just cap off a few bottles of slurry and either make a starter or pitch the bottles into their next wort within short order. Others have about a 6 week time frame where yeast is still generally lively and will do a good job of brewing your next beer so long as you get a fair amount of yeast in there. (Notice I didn't really use any absolutes)? You will still make good beer.
     
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  8. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I worried about this when I did my beer but didn't find much on people saying they experienced it so I tried it anyway.
     
  9. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Use beer to rinse it if you want to, something tasteless and dead like bud light.
     
  10. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I was always under the impression you didn't want the non-yeast trub particles left behind from fermentation.
     
  11. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Me too and reason I always
    Me too and the reason i always washed the yeast. However, I know people who rack beers on a fresh yeast cake. I guess as long as you don't have a ton of hop particle it should be good. I didn't dry hop this beer so it's a pretty clean slurry.
     
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  12. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I used to be a washer/re-user (never a "packer") . . . 'till I found a better way. These days I make a little larger starter than I need (what's a few more ounces of DME?), pour off the excess and store it for future use. This slurry is going to be uber-clean, having never gone through a primary fermenter. Usually I use the final running on brew day to grew it a little bit more (what's another flask to wash?), label it, and store in fridge.

    I would be afraid to use a yeast cake that's been left behind in a primary. After you rack you let in air (potential nasties) and the sides of the primary are still coated with "food" . . . I've seen some things growing in there I wouldn't want in my beer.
     
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  13. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I've never used a yeast cake and probably never will. I've read about the starter method and it does seem like the best option, however I've never done it. One reason is I do the shake periodically method in a 1 gallon glass jug and didn't think I could create enough yeast for a 2nd batch.
     
  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I use the yeast cake or slurry meathod depending on the day and brew. Both work. never been a washer. As I said in another post, Slurry holds a long time fer me.
     
  15. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    I typically collect between a pint and a quart of trub/slurry and reuse it with minimal washing. Minimal washing means add water so I can stir up the slurry and chill the yeast in a mason jar.

    The day before brewday, I pour off much of the clear liquid and make a starter with a generous amount of the left-over slurry. I don't worry too much if I also add some trub to the starter or even to the primary. I pretty much always make a starter if I stored the yeast for more than a week or two.
     
  16. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Back when I brewed and drank more, I would often rack directly onto the yeast cake, without ever opening my conical fermenter. A typical series would be an ESB(1.050), porter or oatmeal stout(1.065), then a high gravity imperial stout. After the 3rd beer I would clean the fermenter and start again. I would rack the finished beer into kegs as the new wort was chilling so the fermenter was only empty a few minutes. I never had any off tastes or infected beers so I know it can be done, but I don't drink enough to need that volume of beer anymore.
     
  17. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    That's brilliant! If I brewed enough i would that. Might have to try that soon as I plan on brewing a stout and then my first barley wine.

    Cheers!
     
  18. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Yes, that makes sense. Adding new wort immediately gives little time for bacteria to gain a foothold. The OP has gone 5 days of having the interior exposed to air. I've seen "green things" growing on my krausen ring after only two days.

    No need to make twice what you need . . . just a tad extra will work, then re-start it. I brewed today (Patersbier) and this is my starter:
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    I needed about 180B cells so made a 1.4L starter (estimated 200B) and poured off 10 percent (the little guy). Then I use any excess wort and/or final running to start the small amount. In this case the extra was only about 10ml of yeast slurry which is on the stir plate now . . . should get 50'ish ml by tomorrow. This will have to be re-started for the next brew cycle . . . this is the fifth cycle for this yeast (3787), with the saved portion never seeing the inside of a primary.
     
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  19. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    There's no way I would even consider leaving my fermenter unfilled/uncleaned before using it again. It takes some planning and a little extra work to rack and fill at the same time, but it was worth it!
     
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  20. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Opps, this is the pic I meant to post:
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