Bad Trader @Griff57

Hindsight 20/20 and all that - but personally I'm not going to drive 4+ hours to meet a rando off the internet without their cell number. I mean I'm not going to drive 4+ hours to meet a rando off the internet, period. But if I did, a cell number would be key.

 

Not trying to call the bad trader in question a liar, but that apology seriously looks liked he picked up a copy of 'Bad Trader Excuses for Dummies' and just scribbled down the first page.

 

The upsetting part is that we'll never know if he was going to send the beers to the OP or if he would have messaged him without the creation of this thread.

I don't really care why the poor experience happens as long as it's corrected. Good excuses and bad excuses produce the same result. There's really no way to validate the excuses either way.

I just hope the OP gets his box.

 

This ^^^^^^ is #1 If I am meeting someone I am getting a cell phone number.
# 2 is I am driving up to Boston on Friday, if the last I heard from someone was Wednesday. I am confirming same day (via cell phone) or I am not making the drive.

 

It's irrelevant to the discussion at any rate, but I don't think OP drove to Boston exclusively for the trade. I'm interpreting it as he was going to be in Boston for one reason or another anyway so he set up the trade.

 

I like the fact that these threads stay open, at some point it becomes piling on, but the ability for people to jump in, ask questions, give their opinion on the situation and give BT some grief all acts as a deterrent to future would be bad traders. People also invest their time in contributing to these threads and deserve the opportunity to get their two cents in after BT has appeared. Also give people the opportunity to hold BT accountable.

At end of day, everyone has an excuse, follow through on trade like 99% of people do and don't worry about a bad trader thread, don't follow through and everything that happens in thread is fair game.

 

The logic of critique from some individuals on this thread is entirely incoherent and it is frustrating to see. I'm not defending the position of the bad trader in question, as it seems pretty obvious he messed up, but what is more worrisome is the lack of logical conclusions his many detractors are arriving at.

"He checked beers in on Untappd, therefore he does care about beer more than his statement suggests / he must have been aware of his mistake."

This is just not a logical pathway to the conclusion. If he is in the habit of checking beers in then he would likely continue to do that regardless of his level of caring about beer. The app is not strenuous to use and even those with a passing interest in beer utilize it, so that is just a silly argument. He never claimed to not care at all, only that it may be less than many here - nothing in his posts debunks that statement in the slightest. Also, he admits that he simply forgot about the trade at all. When you forget something it simply is not present in your consciousness, therefore a continuation of your normal habits is the logical conclusion, which in this case is likely checking in beers.

"Your trade history doesn't matter."

Well that's a fairly absurd statement. If it doesn't matter then the very feedback system we utilize here is pointless. Why not only have open trades listed rather than your entire trade history if it does not matter? The fact is that while history is not an absolute guarantee of future action, it is the best indicator that we have. So I see someone with a strong history of positive trades and then one bad one, it makes more sense to hear them out as life in fact is fraught with challenges and sometimes shit just happens, and even good people make mistakes. Having that baseline understanding of the trader's past is hugely important and to claim otherwise shows a simple bias towards pessimism rather than a desire to locate truth.

"The "red tag" is why he is making things right.

A vacuous claim with no supporting evidence that is entirely useless in this context. Your opinion on what you THINK his motivating factors were should not and simply do not matter unless you have valid evidence to support it.


It is so disappointing to see adults jumping at every chance to act like bullies and pile on to each and every instance that arises. The attitudes in the "bad trader" section have turned (in my opinion) to a volatile mix of conjecture and assumption rather than a proactive arena for seeking truth and resolution. This one instance in particular is a PRIME example of that. The bad trader did everything we could want in this instance - he supplied explanation, apologized in a genuine manner, and offered to make things BEYOND right by sending beers to the slighted party. Rather than leave it at that though, and perhaps supply some positive reinforcement to incentivize more people to come clean, many just took this as another chance to get some jabs in. If you are so jaded from past experiences that do not overlap with the bad trader in question then you should remove yourself from commenting as your bias is obviously too overwhelming. It appears that half of you are simply chomping at the bit for the opportunity to throw some insults and sarcasm around, but you aren't helping anyone but yourselves while likely hurting this community in the process. Come on guys, we are better than this.

END RANT.

 

You sir, are what this community has been lacking lately. Hats off to you.

 

Thanks very much for the kind words. I'm not certain that many will agree with you there, but it is nice to know that I am not alone in this sentiment. Cheers!

 

Not too worried about those that don't agree. They are the very people you are "Ranting" about.
It is something I noticed some time ago but never could find the words as you did.

 

I've been harboring the feeling for a while now too, but this seemed like such a prime example that I didn't want to let it pass by when maybe commenting could be the catalyst for some shift in the norm. We will see I guess. Hopefully I've need hijaked the thread too badly...

 

I agree on both counts with you. I thought that your comment was one of the few that was proactive as it took evidence into account and addressed it within the thread. I also was not a fan of the quote you noted from the "bad trader" in question. It was in no way helpful, and likely didn't help his case. I can understand why he formed a defensive posture coming into this thread given the tone, but he should know better than to be condescending like that.

 

Nick, I couldn't thank you more for your post. Truly appreciate it, and also appreciate the patience from the OP on this whole thing.

And you guys are right as well, I went on the defensive a little bit, and the beer=life comment, as well as the red tag comment should have been worded differently.

One thing I do want to mention to those who still question weather or not I'm making things up.....And this kind of piggy backs on your logical thinking post....I have 35 positive trades. I've been on here for a bit, and I know if someone screws up here, they are going to get called out. If I really intended to screw someone over, wouldn't I have at least tried to get some beer out of it? Why would I ruin a perfect reputation on purpose, for no reason at all? Just to screw some guy out of six beers and the time that he would've wasted waiting for me? I literally gain nothing out of any of it.

Again, I've come on here, said Im sorry, and will be waiting at Trillium when they drop Headroom tomorrow or Friday, to get some for Dan, as well as a few other beers to make up for the whole thing. Nothing more I can do.

 

Sorry about your dad. That's rough.