Bad Trader List Update : Paslaugh

Super.

 

I'm a bit confused as to why he has been moved to the BTL. I don't think there's any excuse for two months with no communication, but part of the BTL's benefit to the community is that it can be used as a last resort threat to get the "potential bad trader" to come through. If a "potential bad trader" makes good on his trade but gets added to the list anyway, what incentive does a future "potential bad trader" have to deliver?

The most important thing has always been to try and make sure the person who is out beer/money gets what they were trading for, IMO. Obviously it's good for the community when individuals warn everyone of potential thieves and prevent future thefts, but at the same time the community should, first and foremost, do everything it can to protect that individual and get him the beers he's owed. I just think adding someone who's made good on a trade (albeit after a lengthy delay) to the BTL only fosters the ever-growing negative attitude toward trading that this site seems to be developing.

 

So you're ok with the inconvenience of no communication for an indefinite amount of time when awaiting for the agreed upon merchandise? Just asking.

 

Yep that's exactly what he said, hes ok with it

Clearly what he is saying is if they are going on the bad traders list anyway it removes any motivation to make things right, and perhaps a separate trade with caution, or make this person ship first would be better. I personally don't care either way, but can read.

 

So has sendsilk still not gotten his beer?

You have talked with sendsilk or paslaugh?

 

I dont think it would be that much tougher to just put a note next to that person on the list. They are still on the bad trader list, but with a note saying "trader made right on his trade. Trade with at your own risk" or something to that effect.

 

My post was not meant to be argumentative or giving you BS, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. After hearing from sendsilk myself, I have to agree that the trader belongs on the list.

 

There should also be a DOUBLE DICK MOVE list where the traders who eventually sent get put but sent the wrong beers.

 

someone that has to be harassed into shipping their end of a deal and then decides to ship the wrong beers is still a bad trader to me and they belong on the list with a note that explains why.

 

Your point has some merit, but not adding him to the list is simply kicking the can. If he did it once, there's a good chance he'll do it again. So the threat may help the existing trade issue get rectified, but the lack of follow through will inevitably just hurt somebody else.

 

I agree with this. Im not the most active of traders and I have been fortunate to have all solid experiences, but a successful trade should encompass everything from communication to shipping throughout the entire process from initial contact to item delivery. The fact that he eventually got the beer out means he may not be the worst of the worst, but he is still a bad trader for needing this much of a kick in the ass to get it out.

 

While I've already admitted that this particular instance was definitely BTL worthy, I think the larger point is worth discussing and not as black and white as some are making it. Of all the stories currently on the BTL, every single one of them ends in no beer being shipped (yes, I read through them all). If we start including people who have evened up the deal, even if after a lengthy and unreasonable delay, I think it sets a bad precedent. I think instances like that are more reserved for a post in the other trader's profile as a "trade with caution/slow(bad) communication".

As I stated above, it's wonderful for people to alert the community about a potential bad trader. I get that. However, what's the incentive for an individual to be a part of the community if said community is not going to have his back when it happens to him? "Thanks for letting the community know, sorry you got screwed!" isn't good enough, IMO. That's why the threat of the BTL is important. If potential bad traders/slow communicators know that as soon as a "Potential Bad Trader Alert" thread goes up they're going to eventually make it to the list, there's no incentive for them to make good. Now, I've seen this community step up and help people out when they get screwed over on trades, but it doesn't happen every single time, and I'm sure there are quite a few people who reported some of the traders on that list that never got the beer they were owed. For them the threat of the BTL obviously didn't work, but for others it has.

 

Well, I'd argue that once a "bad trader" post comes out, they're already on "the list" in people's heads, even if not yet on the official one . Most veteran traders aren't going to trade with anybody who has ever had a bad trader post made about them.

Thus, the way to handle it, is to privately threaten the user with the "bad trader post". The "bad trader list", IMO, is merely a record of bad trader posts.

In other words, they're already screwed in the court of public opinion, so whether they make right on the trade or not is purely up to their own conscience.

 

I get your point and most likely that threat of being put on the list would carry weight with some people, as in this case, and not as much with others..like anything else it depends on the individual. I hate to be cynical but I would think its a small percentage of people that would go so far as to take all this time to ship and still care if they are placed on the list. Maybe there could be some type of added tab to the spreadsheet for "trade with caution" as you mentioned for someone who made good in the end, albeit after a ton of prodding. Again, I hate to take a cynical, black and white approach to this, but I would think most BAs would agree that if you need this much prodding, then you are, in fact, a bad trader whether you eventually send the beer out or not.

 

I'm pretty sure this is factually incorrect (can't say with 100% certainty because I don't remember every single "bad trader post") as every single story on the BTL ends with the bad trader not sending their end, and I know I've seen "bad trader posts" end with the alleged bad trader sending his end (unless that has just never been recorded, which I kinda doubt).

 

Explain to me why Cloeren13 is not on the list?? Thread

Because his brother potentially made good??

Not to mention there is no detail on the list denoting that Paslaugh eventually did send beer...