Rebranding a Beer

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  1. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Grand Pooh-Bah (3,356) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia
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    Just found this at the local HT. I love this beer but hadn't had it from a bottle in awhile. DFH is now calling it a "dark IPA." Definitely a hoppy brown ale. I guess they are trying to appeal to the IPA craze.

    Other examples of rebranding like this?
     
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  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    IIRC DFH are rebranding their entire line up. Adding the "Dark IPA" may be in response to complaints from people feeling they weren't getting a brown ale because it was well hopped.

    Victory has recently rebranded most or all of their line up.

    Troeg's has recently rebranded their line up, including packaging in 12 packs and cases.
     
  3. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Great Lakes and Bell's have recently revamped their labeling as well, both in a positive way IMO
     
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  4. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Just a few more nails in the IPA coffin.
     
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  5. sosbombs

    sosbombs Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2016 Vermont

    and how is that?
     
  6. codytwo

    codytwo Zealot (610) Aug 19, 2015 Connecticut

    I know Boulevard renamed/rebranded a few of their beers a few years ago.
     
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  7. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    The term IPA no longer designates a "style" to a lot of breweries, instead it's used as a shorthand flavor descriptor indicating that the beer tastes "hoppy" Hence you get "Black IPA, Belgian IPA, White (wheat) IPA, Cascadian IPA, Brown IPA,,,, whatever. Even when the term is used alone you can't be sure what the beer tastes like, just take the newfangled Eastern "IPA" and compare it to another IPA like an "English" IPA The two tastes almost nothing alike. The term IPA as a "style" is dead.
     
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  8. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    It probably ceased to be a style a very long time ago.Even when it was being shipped to India domestic "IPAs" were being brewed. After WW1 IPA was just another name for Bitter and this continues to this day in such beers as Greene King IPA.
    Some badly informed writers say this isn't an IPA because it isn't hopped to hell but in fact it's simply a 20th century example of its type.
     
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  9. mwa423

    mwa423 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2007 Ohio

    Lots of breweries rebrand, great Lakes, troegs, goose island, ommegang. Why do they do this? Is sells more beer. It catches customer's eye and gets them to buy.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    IMO it is simply just another indication that language/terminology evolves over time. Some BA may feel the need to complain about this but it is what it is.

    The only constant is change.

    Cheers!
     
  11. Premo88

    Premo88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,670) Jun 6, 2010 Texas
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    Off top of the head, this is all I can think of:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/458/82807/

    Real Ale's Fireman's #4 Squared

    It has the same name it was originally branded with, but my memory is that the labels originally called it a dry-hopped version of Fireman's #4, which is a blonde ale. Somewhere along the way, Real Ale replaced "blonde" with "pale" on the labels. That's my memory, anyway, which isn't always 100%, but if I've got it right it fits in with Dogfish head's adding "IPA" to their brown ale label -- a movement always to something that fits in the IPA hungry market.
     
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  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    If DFH Indian Brown was initially released as a "dark IPA," I wonder how it would have been categorized on this website (not to mention how that alters ratings and reviews... this beer is currently the 12th highest rated American brown). I don't think the answer is obvious. The current Dogfish website has it's "style" listed as a "dark IPA."
     
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  13. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    In the UK it is rare to find a beer labelled "mild" , practically all milds are called "darks" these days. Or just given a fancy name.
     
  14. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    I can see why they'd call it a dark IPA. It's definitely really hoppy for a brown ale, I am pretty sure it's classified as a hybrid between a brown ale, scotch ale, and an IPA and I feel that's accurate.
     
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  15. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    If simple rebranding will bring back some tried and true recipes I say go for it.
     
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  16. woodchipper

    woodchipper Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    Two that have not been mentioned yet.
    Have you seen how InBev has completely restyled all marketing including graphics for Blue Point?In CT, Cavalry Brewing changed not only their logos and such, changed their name to Black Hog, like Cavalry never existed. It did not improve their beer.
     
  17. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    If I recall what the story behind the DFH Indian Brown was, and has been. The name itself was a riff on the fact that it was a brown ale that was hopped like an IPA.
     
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  18. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    I wouldn't go so far as to say it's dead, but I definitely get where you're coming from. At some point IPA will just be another way of saying hoppy. Why something can't be called a hoppy brown ale instead of a brown IPA I'm not sure. It's all about marketing I guess.
     
  19. bleakies

    bleakies Maven (1,355) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    And no doubt there were plenty of slow-on-the-uptake folk like me who, upon first tasting it, thought WTF before slooooooowly realizing that... oh yeah... "Indian"... like India Pale Ale... like, wow. First surprise, then embarrassment.

    I hope Dogfish Head's rebranding will protect people from living through this confusing, humiliating experience themselves.
     
  20. sosbombs

    sosbombs Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2016 Vermont

    Kind of like a martini. Whatever, we are living in a golden age for beer drinkers, enjoy it.
     
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