Cloying

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  1. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I read reviews that use the word "cloying". The use of "cloying" in the on-going best Oktoberfest beer thread prompted this.

    When you use the word, what do you mean by it? I'm asking sincerely, not critically.

    The dictionary definition of cloy says "disgust or sicken (someone) with an excess of sweetness". (Oxford).

    I doubt it is used with that extreme of a meaning in beer reviews or commentary, so when you use the word (assuming you do), what do you mean?
     
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  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I don't use the word often, because to my mind it does encompass something being too sweet, but has to be a step beyond that - its got to be too much, so much so that its gross.

    When would I use it? When a beer is so sweet that I find it gross.
     
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  3. stonermouse

    stonermouse Pundit (877) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts

    Excessive sweetness. Maybe not "sickened," but beer reviews should be allowed a bit of hyperbole for the sake of color, don't you think?
     
  4. Oopssorryy

    Oopssorryy Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2016 Ohio

    When I use it, I mean overly sweet. Not in a pure sugar kinda way, but more in an over ripe fruits or vegggys kind of way. Not quite rotten, but just on the edge.
     
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  5. McMatt7

    McMatt7 Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2014 Pennsylvania

    only if that color can be measured in Degrees Lovibond :slight_smile:
     
  6. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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  7. gibgink

    gibgink Pooh-Bah (1,581) Oct 27, 2014 Missouri
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    Personally I don't think any beer can be cloyingly sweet, but I've had some that I can see where others might think that way. I feel sorry for the person who thinks an Oktoberfest beer is cloyingly sweet.
     
  8. JordonHoltzman

    JordonHoltzman Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2009 New York

    I use it when a beer is too sweet. For example, some BBA stouts have a sweetness that comes from the vanilla notes of the bourbon, which are welcome, and often balanced out with roasted malt and coffee bitterness, or even hop bitterness. I've had a stout or two, or other beers, that lacked elements to balance out the sweetness, making it cloying, or too sweet. It's something that would lower my rating of a beer, but doesn't mean I'm disgusted or it's worth rating a 1 or 2.
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    While I seldom use the word "cloying," when I do I'm referring to sweetness that is so strong it is becomes unpleasant. Consuming too much of that level of sweetness could even become nauseating.
     
  10. Sponan

    Sponan Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2008 Tennessee

    There are plenty of descriptors used in threads/reviews which make little sense if one actually looks at the definition. Why would you expect this one to be any different?
     
  11. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,857) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    Never used the word in the review, but I would take it to mean something along the lines of "putrid sweetness" or "so sweet that it's almost sticky or viscous"
     
  12. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    When I use that word, that is exactly how I mean it.
     
  13. michman

    michman Pundit (751) Oct 14, 2005 Illinois

    yeah to me means massively sticky, syrupy, coats the mouth and sweet. It also has to be relative, some styles like a huge stout or barleywine that might be a desirable trait. Oktoberfest...that would be the furthest from my desired mouthfeel.
     
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  14. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    To me, a cloying beer is overly sweet and lingers on the palate. It may taste good at first, but will be difficult to finish (for sure the second one will be-that happens to me with Sam Adams Octoberfest). Also, cloying beers may not just be sweet, but may be oxidized and have lingering raisin-y or prune-y flavors that I don't happen to like.
     
  15. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Pooh-Bah (2,096) Dec 12, 2014 Chile
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    I mean La Trappe quad
     
  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Once again, we can turn our blame to the over hopping of the American palate. "This beer isn't bitter or citrusy or piny or resiny -- it's cloying my palate!" :wink:

    Then again, there are a lot of Ami-Oktos that lean to the sweet, caramelly character.
     
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  17. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I have used the word periodically. To me the word is applicable for some beers that stop you in a moment of uni-dimensional overt sugar sweetness, that is devoid of any forgiving balance, and makes one gag, or to have nearly gagged. I had this happen once with a wheatwine (unnamed), which carried about 12% alcohol. I can still taste it like I can still taste slightly used rum and Coke from a bad day in high school.
     
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  18. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    I take reviews/comments to mean exactly that. (That's what it means. ; ) ). I have had beers that fit that description. Southern Tier Creme Brulee, for example. Good flavor but TOO sweet for me, after two sips.

    After a slight pause, the 3rd sip was borderline nauseating. I ended up adding some datil pepper sauce. The heat balanced the sweetness. If not for that, it would have been a drain pour, or a give away (bomber). No way I could drink any more. "Disgust" & "sickening", literally, do fit. : )
     
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  19. elucas730

    elucas730 Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2010 New York

    Ha, this is what I was going to post. You want to know what cloying is? ST Creme Brulee.
     
  20. WhaleSlayer85

    WhaleSlayer85 Zealot (690) Jul 28, 2015 Illinois
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    Dark Lord is often described as "cloying". While sweet, I'm hardly disgusted by it. It's a great stout. Cloyingly sweet is like a sugar cookie with frosting. I can take a bite or two, but after that it's disgusting.
     
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