Bad Trader: ADM_Crunch

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by DMW7243, Sep 21, 2016.

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  1. DMW7243

    DMW7243 Initiate (0) May 12, 2016 Florida

    So I'm a first time user of this trading system and I didn't know about the whole Feedback thing until after this fact (Unfortunately), but this guy PM'd me wanting some Yuengling since he can't get it in the northwest and I live in FL. We agreed I'd send him a 12-pack of cans, plus I threw in some bonuses, then he'd send a mix-bag of local stuff back (I'm not looking for anything crazy, just some good local stuff I can't get down here).

    I gave him the tracking #, it arrived, he confirmed he got it, and told me he'd be putting together a package for me that weekend. Well he hasn't logged in for 3 weeks at this point and his last reply in that conversation was 4 weeks ago.

    In hindsight, I would've used the Feedback system but since I know about it, I'm sure I'm out of luck and this guy scammed me. Just thought I'd give everyone a heads up in case he messages you.
     
  2. mellowmark

    mellowmark Savant (1,018) Mar 31, 2010 Utah

    That sucks man, sorry. I'm assuming he had you ship first because of your lack of trade history, am I right? If not why didn't you coordinate shipping?

    At this point since it's been 4 weeks without any contact I think the best thing to do would be to out him so we can tag him to this thread and try and get the ball rolling. It definitely seems like he either forgot or is completely blowing you off.

    Also do you have a number for him? If so have you tried to contact him that way?
     
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  3. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,445) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    He PM'd you looking for a 12 pack of Yuengling cans out of the blue totally unsolicited?
    Where did he even get your name from?
    And never told you what he was sending back in return?
    Why someone would reach out to another BA who has no trades and has never even posted on the site is a little suspicious.
    There has to be more to the story?
     
    #3 KingforaDay, Sep 22, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2016
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  4. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    He has Yuengling listed in his gots as available for trade. I have received unsolicited requests for brews I had listed like this in the past. Not saying that is what happened, just a potential reason.
     
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  5. JavaNoire

    JavaNoire Savant (1,163) Dec 4, 2010 Iowa

    If he hasn't logged on in three weeks something might have happened. I hope he's all right.

    Do you have a cell # or email? If so, have you tried to call, text, or email him?

    If you didn't get additional contact info, reach out to other trading partners who might know how to contact him. You can also check fb or untappd.

    I'll tag him in this thread on the chance that he checks in again.

    @ADM_Crunch please explain what's going on here. When can DMW7243 expect to get the beers he's waited for so patiently?
     
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  6. mellowmark

    mellowmark Savant (1,018) Mar 31, 2010 Utah

    Derpa derp. It would help if I read the thread title.
     
  7. JavaNoire

    JavaNoire Savant (1,163) Dec 4, 2010 Iowa

    Yikes! He's even newer than you are. It doesn't appear he has any fb or has even been cleared to trade here.

    If you never get your beers, be glad you're out no more than a twelve pack of easily obtained, affordable beer & the shipping fees.

    Going forward try to do your initial trades with experienced traders who have at least 10-20 + fb. They're less risky & will probably be both supportive & helpful.

    1) Always get a cell & email.
    2) Read the fb comments before you commit to a trade.
    3) Be wary of comments that indicate slow shipping, poor communication, substituted bottles etc.
    4) Expect to ship 1st until you have ~10 completed trades. Until then seek out members with an established history.
    5) Never ship until a trade request has been accepted.
    6) Avoid open ended agreements, ie you send a 12 pack of Yuengling, be specific as to what you expect to receive, whether it's $4$, certain styles, specific # of similarly priced bottles etc .
    7) Before setting up another trade read through the trading forums to get a better feel for how to proceed.
     
  8. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah Lance P. is fine. He is over on Untapped, seems he drank your beers back at the end of August, and has been drinking away since then
     
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  9. JavaNoire

    JavaNoire Savant (1,163) Dec 4, 2010 Iowa

    @donspublic thanks for the info. I'm glad he's all right. I'm damned sorry he's not taking care of something this simple.
     
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  10. DMW7243

    DMW7243 Initiate (0) May 12, 2016 Florida

    He PM'd me asking and I simply offered to ship first because it was only a 12-pk and a couple FL bonuses, so if I got hosed, it wasn't a big loss. I'm not that upset about it, I'll try to contact him, but if I'm out the $ and beer it's all good. I just wanted to make others aware that he might do the same thing.

    I'll try to contact him again, if anyone else hears from him, let me know. Thanks!
     
  11. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,445) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Ok thanks for the explanation, makes sense and my apologies to the OP. In all my years on BA I never filled out wants and gots and did not realize the extent of people reaching out for trades outside of the ISO/FT trade forums.
    Also, so used to reading OP's in these BT trade threads being out Black Tuesdays or rare beers that seeing a 12 pack of Yeungling mentioned seemed a little strange.
    Unfortunately, unlike most Bad Trades, this isn't a case where the BTer flaked out and didn't deliver but rather what seems like a complete scam right from the start.
     
    #11 KingforaDay, Sep 22, 2016
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  12. DMW7243

    DMW7243 Initiate (0) May 12, 2016 Florida

    Update - he has messaged me as of a couple minutes ago. Thanks for everyone's help! Once I receive the package, I'll update this so he can get his "Bad Trader" thing removed. He had a reason he hasn't been online for a while, so it's fine.
     
  13. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    I'm figuring he *woke up* when he was *tagged* as a *Bad Trader*, right around 9:20am..just sayin' :wink:
     
  14. Dicers

    Dicers Grand Pooh-Bah (3,436) Sep 2, 2012 California
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Interesting that
    @ADM_Crunch still hasn't come on here to say anything though. A bit of an explanation would be nice and I fully expect him to reek havoc on your porch for the inconvenience.
     
  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    You think? Nahhhh.... application of the Bad Trader tag never has any effect on the BT's behavior (sarcasm intended).
     
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  16. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Can he reply in this forum if the account is not a beer trader?

    Or did the red "bad trader" flag just make the blue "Beer Trader" flag go away.
     
  17. Dicers

    Dicers Grand Pooh-Bah (3,436) Sep 2, 2012 California
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Actually I think you're correct he's not a registered trader you can't see is ratio
     
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  18. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    FTFY, boss. :wink:
     
  19. Dicers

    Dicers Grand Pooh-Bah (3,436) Sep 2, 2012 California
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Shhhhhh I wanted some GoT Reek action showing up.....


    I'll show myself out

    :flushed:
     
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  20. fondyball20

    fondyball20 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2015 Wisconsin

    Admins... can we make sure @DMW7243 is able to leave appropriate feedback. I think OP would have to send a trade request right?
     
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