Bad trader Elivictus

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  1. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Alright..

    So, yesterday I reached out to Erik's place of employment and spoke with this boss in detail about why I was calling. He was kind enough to assure me that he'd get the message and my number to Erik.

    Well, Erik called me this morning and we had a solid 20 min conversation together. Erik did state that Elivictus IS his account here on BA, however, that he hadn't been on it in months, had no idea who I was and no idea about a possible trade. I went about confirming several bits of information I had on him as well as the the address I sent the box to; and that is where things started to apparently piece together for him.

    He stated that the address in question is his ex-girlfriend's whom he hasn't had contact with in almost a year. Apparently he has a do-not-contact order out on her as she had been harassing for some time. As best as he can surmise, she logged into his account, set up the trade, and then signed for them using his name upon delivery to the address.

    He was empathetic and embarrassed and provided me with her name but said that he wouldn't be able to contact her on my behalf due to the restrictions of the county order; and also because he doesn't have her number anymore...he stated that he's had to have his number changed several times due to her harassment; which does corroborate with the numbers he provided to previous traders that are no longer active. I pretty much left the conversation recommending that he change passwords to any other social media sites he was active on while with her and to let me know if he comes across any more info on his ex.

    Don't really know where to go from here, but (true or not) I think that I've reached a possible conclusion to all of this. Am still out of my beers but, I've put far more time into this than the beers are worth to me. Am glad that at least this avenue for trading is sealed up a bit for his account, but I think that the door may be closing/closed on this issue.
     
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  2. njk82

    njk82 Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2015 Virginia

    Not to go too far down this rabbit hole, but can the mods confirm if his account has been logging in from a different IP address as of late?
     
  3. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Wow, that is some crazy story. Seems hard to believe an ex-gf would login to an account and make a trade, but from your description of talking to him he sounds sincere, that would be one whopper of an excuse to make up.
     
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  4. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Society Trader

    The @Elivictus account has been closed for twelve days.

    There's been no posting activity there since late August.No other account has used the most recent IP addresses that the @Elivictus account used in August.
     
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  5. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    I wasn't buying it at first, but he was pretty forthcoming and some of the details that he offered lined up pretty well with information I'd either been offered or dug up myself. He was pretty embarrassed by all of it and apologetic and certainly listened to everything I had to offer on the matter. Am relatively new to this kind of an issue, but I'm more inclined to leave this as the most likely scenario for what went down and just accept that I'm out the two beers, but at least a little wiser.

    Glad that it seems whoever decided to use his account has a referenceable IP so that any future attempts to possibly open an account can hopefully be stymied.
     
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  6. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,445) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    Not the old "My Girlfriend who had been harassing me and who I have a do not contact order against used my BA account to steal a Black Tuesday & Grey Monday" excuse again!!!
    I know you want to give him the benefit of the doubt but this is ridiculous.
    Sorry this happened to you but If even 1% of his story were true and he was really embarrassed and apologetic (and had an ounce of decency) he would have offered to send you something for all your trouble, Hopefully his boss realizes what a con artist his employee is.
     
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  7. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    I'm not buying it. I doubt that is girlfriend would put together these trade requests. (go ahead call me sexist) And if she did, why would she only put up 2 trade requests.

    More importantly, if he has a restraining order, why didn't he say "Wow, thanks for telling me. I am going to file a police report because this woman that is making my life hell just violated the restraining order. "

    @F2brewers I think the question that @njk82 meant to ask was
    Is the IP address that posted the trades in August, the same IP address that made his previous trade posts in April?
     
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  8. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
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    No. :wink:

    If it were, I would have mentioned that. Different IP address, different city.
     
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  9. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    That beats the shit out of 1) family illness 2) life happened 3) forgot my ba password 4) whatever lame on the fly excuse. That is the kind of story that you can only come up with while driving around in a beer truck all day. Sorry you are out the beer @hunninghake, but as @GoGators said he should have made it right, it was his account. On the other hand, you can type up an official letter with a letterhead and all and, have it notarized and send it certified mail to the GF address stating that you plan on filing charges, notifying the court that she has broken the terms of her restraining order with <Elivictus (use his real name)>. Lay out that her only course of restitution is to make you whole on the cost of the beers she stole.
     
  10. MNBeerGeek

    MNBeerGeek Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2013 Minnesota

    I am also in the not-really-buying-this camp. That being said, if it is true and the ex-GF is completely bonkers, I would maybe just say out of it completely and let it die. No sense getting tangled up with someone crazy when you could avoid it.
     
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  11. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Believe me, even during and after the call I had to accept the very likely possibility that I was being fed a ton of B.S. However, I have to also accept the possibility that he was being honest, as insane as it all sounded.

    If his story is true, I'm definitely inclined to agree that he should take accountability for his lack of foresight to change his account info and made this right. Had it been me in this situation, I'd definitely be sending a care package out, pronto! However, I wasn't going to twist his arm and preach stentorian from the mound as to what he should do; that should be implicit. Also, I'm long past getting back from this trade what I've put into it, were it even made whole.

    If he wasn't being honest, then I've reached out to the FB trading groups I'm a member of and made sure that the names tied to this address are blacklisted or in the process of being so. It also seems BA is hip to the situation here and is taking the necessary actions. In that regard, I'm happy that his name and info are into the public consciousness and will now make it that much more difficult for him to do this again. Furthermore, he is also now shockingly aware that he can't hide...that he can be very easily gotten hold of and people made entirely aware of his actions.

    With that, I'm already starting to check out of this one and, as @MNBeerGeek stated, "let this one die". I've accepted that my beers are gone and are going to be enjoyed by someone that karma will likely crap all over at some inopportune time! And I'm strangely zen with it. What goes around...

    @donspublic still....that's a pretty clever approach good sir!
     
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  12. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Also,

    Everyone's opinions, support, assistance and suggestions have been hugely appreciated! You guys are awesome and it's been immensely reassuring to know that there are some really solid folks in this community...far more than enough to offset the douche-baggery of the select few here.
     
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  13. DenverBeerDrinker

    DenverBeerDrinker Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Colorado

    I'm in Denver. Send me a message. I have the beers you are out (might not be same years but I can check). I'll never get to them, just come pick them up. Maybe you can set up a different trade.
     
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  14. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Amazingly generous of you! Will shoot you a message asap as I'd be happy to also reciprocate. Again, love how this community comes together in these situations.
     
  15. JavaNoire

    JavaNoire Savant (1,163) Dec 4, 2010 Iowa

    If the crazy ex is also into craft beer this nutty scenario might be true. A vet I worked with had moved several times fleeing his extremely crazy, very nasty ex. He actually changed states twice trying to elude her. When she found him she'd wreak havoc getting his utilities shut off, contacting his new neighbors & employers to tell lies, spread rumors, create suspicions. Initially he was embarrassed & angry. Eventually he was frustrated & frightened. The police declined to file charges because she didn't physically threaten him & she never stole from him. They claimed she was a nuisance, not a criminal, & suggested civil proceedings, but he couldn't afford a lawyer.

    However, if Erik is telling the truth, how/why did the ex gf have his BA pw? People who know me might guess my BA name, which I've used numerous places, but only one might be able to guess the pw. If the ex was also into beer perhaps they 'shared' the acct. In that situation, he's fully responsible for whatever is done on his acct, & is no better than his ex in this mess. It also strains credibility that she'd go to the trouble of closing his acct. Why bother? She could enjoy drinking the beer while earning him negative fb.

    Despite that, at some point enough is enough is just too damned much. The desire to be done with this & move forward makes a whole lot of sense. Regardless of what he should do, Erik has clearly decided he's gonna douche out & there isn't much that can be done about that. Let's hope he isn't be allowed to open another BA acct.
     
  16. Badfish

    Badfish Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2013 Tennessee

    I agree, but you've got to admit the psycho has great taste in beers. :grinning:
     
  17. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I agree it strains one's credibility to believe that the ex somehow "hacked into" Erik's BA account, but I guess it's possible. What seemed more bizarre was the OP's original comment, that "Erik" got back to him almost immediately after he posted his offer, arranged for the trade, etc. Unless the ex was on BA pretty much all the time (which is really hard for me to believe), this all seems very unlikely (but I guess still possible).

    What's particularly hard for me to swallow, is that the ex would go to this much effort and trouble. At least to me, this sounds like a VERY convoluted way to go about trying to get back at someone. After all, the only person who would likely be directly injured by this behavior is some unknown individual, who may or may not even know Erik. So she just saw this as an opportunity to steal some beer and she took it? Guess it's possible, but once again, it's a pretty hard scenario to swallow.

    All that aside, truth or fiction, I think it matters not one wit at this point. The only important question is what can be done to make the OP whole, and I don't see a whole lot of options in that regard. Based on the comments made by the OP, it doesn't sound as if Erik figures he has any responsibilities for what transpired. So I think the OP is out of luck hoping for some help from the Erik. Pretty sure we can't count on the ex for any help. :-)

    At this point, as Javanoire suggested, I would recommend that the OP move on, try to learn from the experience (maybe exchange phone numbers next time and actually speak to "Erik" before sending a box out), and put the whole matter behind him.
     
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  18. hunninghake

    hunninghake Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2005 Colorado

    Certainly agree with this on multiple points and have "let this one die" as stated in my above post. Sometimes you just have to accept that you've done what you can and chalk it up as a valuable lesson.
     
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  19. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    This is all just crazy and wonderful.
     
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  20. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
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    Ok, time to wrap this one up.

    We'll keep an eye out to make sure @Elivictus doesn't return.
     
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