"Gruit" is unfair label

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by RogelioRodriguez, Oct 7, 2016.

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  1. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    Those who drink craft beer often define a beer without hops as Gruit. Is that right? The thousands of botanicals which can be used to be brewed are defined in one category? How can some style be so broad based and generalized when the botanical variety is so diverse.

    What do you call a beer that is not hopped? According to industry marketeers, it is narrowly defined as Gruit.

    I think the proper term ought to be "botanical ale" or "botanical lager" That way the invidual can decide what the beer is brewed with based on the actual plants used to flavor the beer.
     
  2. PatrickCT

    PatrickCT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,776) Feb 18, 2015 Connecticut

    Changing the name of the style doe not offer any insight to with what herbs a beer might be brewed.
     
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  3. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Maybe we should just go back to the ~1500's name for unhopped beer in the UK.... ale!
     
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  4. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Gruit is a good term and everyone should know what it means. No need to change the name.
     
  5. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,484) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    I'm not super familiar with Gruits, so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but could a gruit be bittered with something that couldn't fall into the category of botanicals?
     
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  6. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    Gruit isn't the name of the beer. It is the name of the herb and spice mix that is used to flavor the beer.
     
  7. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    And also the beer made with it. Kinda like calling modern beer "Hop", true, but it does have a dual meaning.
     
  8. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California
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    GROOT!
     
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  9. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    I'm pretty sure, by law, "beer" has to have hops in it, as well as a percentage of barley.

    So they likely have to add hops just to be able to sell it as beer.

    Might have to get a different alcohol license to serve something that isn't beer.


    I could be wrong.
     
  10. rab53

    rab53 Initiate (0) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    Beer, as defined by you, uses hops. Gruit does not. Feel free to parse gruits into 100 sub-styles and create gruitadvocate.com.
     
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  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The Feds are OK with brewers making "beers" without hops - but they have to be labeled according to FDA regulations, not the TTB's.


    Rather than deal with a new set of regulations, domestic brewers of "gruits" apparently often do just add the relatively small amount of required hops - "7½ pounds of hops (or the equivalent thereof in hop extracts or hop oils) per 100 barrels".

    That'd be up to individual state law.
     
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