Bad Trader @Jtmorgan0203

You should both leave accurate feedback. Here I will write it for you. You can cut and paste it to your feedback. "he tried to steal from me but finally shipped what he was supposed to after getting called out in the bad traders thread. Never trade with this clown."

 

Before we crucify a guy and cause him to simply say "Eff it, everyone thinks I stole so why bother sending anything at this point", why don't we let him follow through on the trade and "try" to make things close to right. Clearly there's inconsistencies in what we're being told... but is there a scenario where he told the OP he sent with the actual intention to send (that's bad, I do not condone that, etc.) and then had something terribly urgent come up with work? I've gotten calls saying "you need to leave tonight for two+ weeks"... that CAN actually happen. I'm not suggesting that's the case here (I don't know) but what I am saying is that going off on bad traders in these threads after they've indicated they are trying to make it right will definitely not result in bad traders coming to these threads to explain what happened. Just my two cents.. might be worth zero though.

Hopefully this gets resolved for the two folks who have been waiting on their box.

 

This is EXACTLY why people don't come into these threads to defend themselves.

The guy has apologized with no reservations & promised to make it more than good. If he doesn't do that, then let's get the horses & the rope. But the whole point of these threads is to GET THE OP HIS BEER.

So let's not gang-assault the bad trader. Let's start with the assumption that most people aren't scum-sucking vermin, & let's hope this thread helps the OP get his beer.

 

As long as the package is delivered as promised I'll be happy. I will however leave an accurate trade review. Stating that his communication is sorely lacking and that if I were to trade again I would insist on him sending first. This does not kill his future trade possibilities and alerts future trade partners to the problems we have had. I believe this is fair.

 

Indeed, sounds like a stall, and I too am wondering if he is just trying to stretch this out so as to get as much stolen beer as possible. I'll be surprised, but happy, if he actually sends beer and gives his correct phone number. Probably worthwhile to post his name ASAP to all the other trade forums and warn folks to have this fellow send first, at the very least.

 

Sorry. When someone comes in with a story that is an obvious lie I'm going to call them on it.
But that's okay, you can tussle their hair and tell them "It's okay."

 

I don't think anyone has said it's OK. Let's wait and see if the guy will ship the beer as he said, and try not to scare him away by calling him a liar for trying to make things right-ish.

 

I generally agree with your posts, but you're missing the point again. Lie or not, if the traders in question get their beer & accurate feedback is left, why actively try to antagonize the bad trader? There's zilch to gain from it & potentially beer to be lost for those involved.

And it's "tousle".

 

It's good that we have people on the site that will help us to determine what is and what isn't a lie by offering no proof of their decision. I'm sure that the people accused will receive this message with open arms and happily comply with whatever demands are levied upon them.

 

I agree with some of your points. Goal is to get the traders their beer and giving bad trader a tough welcome when they enter thread could dissuade them. But at the same time, the culture that has been built on this site that has high standard for trader behavior and repercussions for behavior that falls short of that probably prevents a lot of bad trading episodes. People who steal beer, don't follow accepted standards of normal trading deserve the reception they get some times.

Compared to people who have completely disappeared when called out never to be seen again, this guy gets some credit for showing up, but miraculously he showed up when a bad trader thread was started. Also, his explanation doesn't add up 100%.

 

In this case I think @SammyJaxxxx meant tussle

 

I did consider that possibility...but he wanted to tussle, I was the tousler.

 

I did mean tousle.
Not looking to tussle yet.

 

If you leave bad feedback, it will alert traders that if they want to trade with him, then he should certainly SHIP FIRST.
If you provide neutral or positive feedback, there is a chance someone else may face the same problem as you.

Looking at his previous feedback...he had neutral feedback. Seeing that, I would of requested for him to ship first. Honest people don't mind shipping first.

 

I disagree that asking tough questions will make a bad trader become an outright thief. At this point, I believe he is someone who got in over his head and became a bad trader due to neglect of his responsibilities. It's still important to point out inconsistencies in his story as this thread will become a record of what happened.

 

I'm leaning on the "let's not further fuck the OP's chance of getting their beer" side of things until they have the beer in hand or it's 100% clear it ain't happening

 

I too would have asked him to ship first. Only ten logged trades on BA and the fifth of which had neutral feedback stating that he creates labels but waits to ship until the other party's package arrives? Sounds like he has trust issues and should be required to ship first for a while until he can start taking leaps of faith similar to the ones that the two people who he owes beer to have taken.

 

I just checked in on the tracking that he provided and the package is on the move. Lets let this play out before we come to any conclusions.

 

This is where I sit. We demand someone called out to come in and explain themselves when they do peanut gallery jumps all over them and rips apart their story. I am not sure what that accomplishes, this person apologized and is trying to make it right even with more than what they owe. If the goal is to get the OP of the bad trader to leave appropriate feedback how about a bm or a productive message to the OP not calling the potential bad trader a thief and anything else. Time gets away from all of us and things come up. Poor communicator sure, story not 100% accurate only he/she knows for certain, but thief doesn't seem accurate. Think about what you post ripping apart someone who has claimed they are trying to make it right for the OP doesn't do anything productive for the situation imo. Also it is quite selfish and a little bullying as well.

 

That's great news.
I hope you weren't trading for IPAs that are now a month and a half older.