Bad Trader: @Tb3286

Yes these situations suck. Yes they always seem fishy. But there's an awful lot of piling on going here. Let's try to keep hope alive and hope the dude shows and makes it right. I think all the running through the coals may, at times, make folks less likely to come and participate in these threads.

 

I often get accused of being to harsh in these threads so I am making an effort to hold my tongue. But the guy got his beer over a month ago........
Just sayin'

 

I will counter this by saying that the high standards, the veracity of the traders on here upholding these standards and the trading system keeps some people from engaging in shaky behavior. Having to face the potential music here is a large deterrent for people who might engage in less than desirable trading practices.

 

Oh for sure. I agree with both of you @jrnyc and @SammyJaxxxx! I think the piling on can happen after the dude has had a chance to respond and either chooses not to or gives a shitty story. If he comes in, apologizes, says it won't happen again, and makes right, then we don't really need more than the existence of the thread.

 

I think after ~a month of radio silence negative feedback is totally warranted. You could always change it later if by some miracle they come through.

 

I remember when I had my trouble that landed me a bad trader thread (I think I still am the only person in history who got a bad trader thread and I was the one who didn't get a box of beer sent to me, and the box I sent out was stuffed with Vermont goodness and received in perfect condition-very funny story actually and even funnier ending to the whole drama-bm me if int. to hear) getting unrightfully skewered by folks made me angry and anxious to clear my name. I think this is a common reaction for those folks who had life get in the way/other situations legitimately, they want to straighten shit out. The scammers? They weren't gonna come explain shit, and when they do it is usually just to drag things out and give the rest of their scam trades time to clear before they get the ban hammer.

I could be wrong, but I agree with John, I think the harshness we bring to bear gets good results, and there are likely no/almost none situations where someone who was gonna straighten shit out was scared away from doing so by folks' anger in a bad trader thread.

 

Couldn't agree more with this and I think more pressure needs to be put on the BT'er by the person being ripped off too. In a recent BT thread (JTMorgan0203), @Mindflow after a month of being lied to and ignored wisely posted he would be in Ft. Lauderdale and would be stopping by the address he shipped the beer to. 30 minutes after his post the BT'er magically appeared and responded he would be shipping the beer out. Everyone who gets screwed has a name and address (at minimum), some have phone #'s, places of work, etc. And with social media it's not that difficult to find someone who knows that person or can track him down. Most of these guys are thieves and/or scam artists and do not deserve any courtesies at all. So I do think the harshness in these threads is warranted as is follow up letters to the address, phone calls, texts or even a personal visit if possible (or threat of) to the BT address by the person being wronged.

 

I've gently argued the opposite in other threads, but it gets tiring. This is bullshit.

The guy/potential bad trader came into the thread, offered an apology with no excuses, offered to ship right away & get the original OP extras if he was looking for anything in his area, & followed through. What more would you like of someone called out in a bad trader thread?

People came in guns-blazing assuming he was a scum-of-the-earth thief. This jeopardizes the possibility of the OP getting their beer. I'm not going to go back & scour the threads searching, but there have been at least a couple threads where the bad trader got offended by the lynch mob, got involved in a back-and-forth, & ended up banned.

Gee, that's great! Bad trader removed! Except now the OP doesn't get his or her beer. And future bad traders are a lot less likely to run into a room full of people who have torches & kerosene at the ready.

I'm not defending the bad trader, but running someone out of town on a rail & costing the OP beer is bloody damn stupid. I'd suggest that if someone comes in, appears sincere, & offers to make things right, give them a few days to actually do so. If they don't, have at them. But driving people away with excessive "harshness" ultimately means fewer bad traders are going to show up in these threads, & people are going to lose more beer.

 

I don't think people need to BM you. Reading the thread itself is more informative.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/bad-trader-bdavidson14.242177/

OP, I hope you get the beer you're due. Regardless of how abrasive, judgmental or 'mean' posters are in these threads honorable adults won't grab onto that as an excuse to bail on their obligations. It's both weird & juvenile anyone would employ such reasoning to justify stealing.

 

Haha then they miss the strange surprise ending that happened a few months later

 

^^^^this all day. If someone *genuinely* made a mistake, they are gonna fix it, irregardless of how much hazing they are getting from the peanut gallery. I mean, c'mon on, the *music* they have to listen to in these bad trader threads are music they created. Besides...its the internet.....its not like you are facing a group of peeps in a room one-on-one....face to face. Great traders NEVER end up in here. It's simple...they handle their business. If someone uses the comments from here as a *way out* that's just plain and simple....RIDICULOUS.

Also, if you are gonna steal outright...it really doesn't matter what comments are said in any of these bad trader threads.

So the one option to make a wrong "right", is to rid the trading pool of these wrongful peeps. Unfortunately, that means that the trader who creates these threads doesn't always get his beer, but atleast others won't get screwed down the road.

Remember....it's trade at your own risk! Not sure what other sites do with bad traders, but I think we (moderators & community) do a great job of getting involved and trying to help out.

Surely, if peeps disagree about *comments* in these threads...then maybe we can eliminate having bad trader threads as an option and peeps can fend for themselves (see bolded above)....then it's one less thing peeps can complain about and one less thing, as a moderator or moderators, I/we need to deal with because that option will be gonzo. If thats the route we wanna go, then put it in the "help section". Remember, these are *Bad trader* threads.

Cheers!

 

I read that entire thread. Please tell...

 

I've heard the surprise ending and it is a good one.

 

Honestly, I don't know why you, @cavedave, keep bringing up your past trade issues on this Bad Trader thread. If you want to give further details. ask the MODS, like @dmbforever, @John_M, or @F2brewers, to reopen your previous bad trader thread to update the "surprise ending" and give a chance for responses from the other parties involved. You didn't seem to want to talk about it then (as you kept stating on that past thread) but you want to talk about it now, which is fine if you post it where it belongs imo.

I'd welcome reading details that would put your involvement in a better light because I was surprised, like many, when I read that "Dave" was mentioned. Asking people to BM you for the "surprise ending" seems one-sided and not the proper way to give additional information.

Anyway, let's concentrate on the current OP, on this thread, and hopefully help him get his beer.

 

Pardon me, I hope you don't mind me replying now to your post, but I made one post that was a germane example in support of a point that harshness in BT threads won't discourage the accused from replying, given from the point of view of someone who has been through it.

You could have left it there, as that was all I wanted to say. And now the question becomes, in light of your reply, and link, why didn't you? But you didn't, and I replied to you. And now I am replying to another post by you. If this is a problem BM me so we can discuss it. Otherwise, have a nice day.

 

Let's all remember we are on the same team. We ALL can agree that everyone would like a happy ending. I mean, who wouldn't!?!

Anyways, it's a shame we even have these threads.

@Tb3286 has not been on BA in over 3+ weeks. Not sure how much more time we need to give this person to make it right, or atleast communicate to the OP.

@jsidonis7 I'm going to give you the option, which is a first in my book.

When would you like us to cut ties with this trader? And by "ties", I mean retire their account.
(A) Give him another week?
(B) 3 days?
(C) you don't want to make the call

Tag me and let me know your choice please.

Also, no matter what choice you make above, it looks like you will be taken care of in the end and thats what matters.

Cheers,
Dave

 

@jsidonis7 Did you contact previous trade partners to get this guys cell phone and contact them there?

 

I love how you guys are all bent out of shape over not having all the Beer Advocate gossip from way way back. Go start another thread or take it to personal messages, and, regardless of what you decide to do, stop highjacking the OP's thread.