Now that everyone is bourbon barrel aging, is it over?

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  1. djkman

    djkman Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2012 New Jersey

    Now that everyone is bourbon barrel aging, is the "mystyic" over ?? EVEN founders with its KBS, there is Backwoods Bastard. Brewermasters are now catching up. Even local brewers are making good bourbon barrel aged beer. Local Brewmaster Recipies are making beer as good as or close to what I call the BIG craft brewers.
    KBS and GS bourbon county. EVEN coffee variants, 5 beans is a winner in my book!.
    NOW, I can hear the beer snobs saying
    "Well, KBS and backwoods bastard taste different" Yea, so be it.
    BUT with brewmasters making decent bourbon barrel aged beer, I feel I am not "truck chasing" KBS or Goose island.
    Local brewers are getting better at this stuff. All of it, IPA's, pumpkin, aging, stouts, porters, ales etc.
    The landscape is changing in craft again.
    Just remember, the saying they say when things out there are changing,
    "When its finally being reported to the masses, were on to the next thing....."
    This is my humble opinion.
     
  2. analcest

    analcest Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2015 Texas

    How drunk are you?
     
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  3. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Sure seems to have increased in the last year, though there is only so much they can make without a corresponding increase in donor barrels from bourbon/whiskey/rum/etc distilleries. Some brewers are getting more use out of the barrels by shorter barrel times, though such beers often lack bourbon taste even if they have it in the nose. I don't see any issue withe the increase in bourbon barrel aged beers, they're my favorite, and the market seems to be supporting it at the moment.
     
  4. kell50

    kell50 Pooh-Bah (2,334) Jul 25, 2007 North Carolina
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    Ha.

    It's no where near over.
     
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  5. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I like them. There is definitely not an overabundance of them. My guess is there aren't enough bourbon barrels to even begin to approach having too many. I think as many as is possible to make won't be enough.
     
  6. Jirin

    Jirin Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2013 Massachusetts

    As somebody who only drinks beer for the cool factor and doesn't care whether it tastes good, TOTALLY. As of now I'm swearing off those delicious beers. What's the point if it doesn't make me feel superior to other people?
     
  7. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    Over? Are Pilsners over? Maybe Barrel Aged beers are over for you.

    For the rest of the planet they will continued to be brewed, aged, and enjoyed well beyond my lifetime.

    Full disclosure, I've never been a "truck chaser", and have never related to you guys.

    Have fun chasing the next trend..
     
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  8. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    I kind of doubt it actually. Bourbon is experiencing a massive boom right now and producers cannot re-use their barrels. Much of their used cooperage is sold to scotch/irish whisky producers, which have likewise been growing, but probably not enough to keep pace with bourbon. Remember that scotch/irish producers DO re-use barrels and use a decent amount of other cooperage (sherry in particular) as well.

    Anyway, my GUESS is that as bourbon has exploded, the market for used bourbon barrels hasn't exploded quite so rapidly. So the barrels are probably out there if brewers want them.

    Now, the availability of GOOD quality barrels is an another issue altogether.
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Actually, in part because of the time lag created by aging time for Bourbon, used barrel production hasn't really kept up with the demand for used barrels. So the price of barrels paid by Brewers has gone up rather dramatically the last 3-4 yerrs.
     
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  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    No, I don't think it is over. Not everyone is using Bourbon barrels or even doing barrel aging. What may be slowing down is the number of Brewers willing to gamble on having to dump part of a batch or who are choosing to try Bourbon barrel aging.
     
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  11. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    Just move on to the next barrel! Rum, tequila, Chinese medicinal wine. And I see more really local spirit producers putting out rye whiskey and every other kind of booze, some of which might be perfect to sell to a nearby small brewery. Who would have thought of apple brandy distilled in Belllingham, Wash., and I'm hoping one of the local beer nuts will age something in their used barrels.
     
  12. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Maybe I'm missing something here but bourbon sales are booming, so production lag or no, they're presumably emptying more and more barrels every year...
     
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  13. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Well I wish they'd make more beer with them then, there definitely is no overabundance of the better bourbon barrel beer bottlings around here.
     
  14. Pantalones

    Pantalones Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Virginia

    The thing with bourbon-barrel-aged beers is that a whole lot of them (maybe even most of them?) are higher-ABV beers from styles that tend to age well. So having "too many" around now just means plenty of pre-aged bottles hanging out on the shelf collecting dust for the future!

    The "everyone's doing it" thing isn't really that bad in this case, compared to styles that don't hold up as well to age where having tons of them available means a lot will end up sitting and getting old.
     
  15. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I doubt it. I think BBA stouts will always remain popular. They're just too darn delicious.
     
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  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Look at it this way. There is roughly a 3-4 year time lag, or more, between filling and emptying a new barrel. The number of new barrels that they can get each year from the limited number of skilled craftsmen who make them is also limited. Also the number they can put into use or empty in a given year is limited by barrelhouse space and how the whisky ages in its assigned location for those many months of aging.

    So, the number of barrels that can be emptied this year is still limited by the barrels that are ready to be emptied to meet the increased demand. They can limit, but not eliminate, production of high end brands by emptying some barrels early, but they are still limited by that multi-year time lag on the number of those high end barrels. (Not to mention limits on barrelhouse space which is also limited by time and projected whiskey demand estimated some years ago.)

    So, yes, they can cope with an increase in sales by emtying some more barrels each year, but they are still playing catch up while trying to ensure the don't overestimate sales 3-10 years from now and get stuck with too much whiskey and/or lots of new empty barrels and unused space in new or existing barrelhouses.

    Meanwhile some more barrels do get emptied as demand for empties goes up. But supply is still short of demand and the price of empties available to new customers goes goes up dramatically while the quantity of empties goes up more slowly than the demand and the folks having long term contacts to buy empties (e.g. The Scots who have been good customers over the years) benefit from stable prices for those empties.

    The impact on Brewers is that some of the increasing number of new breweries that think they need to do barrel aging either find out they can be successful without it or do it for special, limited production releases only, or they explore the possibilities of wine barrel aged beers, etc. A few established breweries even have eliminated some long time barrel aged brands from their line up to concentrate their limited resources , i.e. empty whisky Barrels, on their most successful brand(s).

    The impact on beer consumers is that either you stand in lines for an expensive special release, or you pay higher prices per bottle or you choose to drink something else that you enjoy as much or more.

    Lots of interesting complexities.
     
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  17. Rodosman

    Rodosman Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    The next trend is cannabis infused bourbon barrel aged beers. ISO Bourbon Barrel Aged White Widow Stout
     
  18. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,557) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    As long as I'm alive Barrel Aged beers won't stop being a thing
     
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  19. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    I have some charred barrel chips that I use for grilling. If the BBA "trend" shows any signs of slowing down, I will soak a handful of these in bourbon and French-press my stouts with them.

    BTW, I've done this and it works exceptionally well.
     
  20. mwa423

    mwa423 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2007 Ohio

    I think the idea that demand for a style will decrease with more options is unlikely. The issue that I see is that we're getting to a point where there aren't too many BA aged beers, but there are too many relatively crappy BA beers. This is the obvious result of mediocre breweries jumping on the bandwagon and doing what they hope will get people in the door. With any style of beer, the best of them will stick around forever (or at least over the long term) and all of the average and below liquid will get changed over to chase the next big thing.
     
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