Beer Tasting Gathering Advice Sought

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  1. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Hello All,

    In about a month (JANUARY 1) I am having eleven people over to watch some football and sample some beer.

    On the beer front, which is theoretically of more interest here, I was planning on having some fun with it and having a little “tournament” where each person would be given two beers at a time and would pick score / rate / pick between the two. There are 1001 ways to do this, and I am happy to read any suggestions or warnings this group might want to give, but I have a small number of specific questions:
    1. what is a good testing / tasting / pour size? All of the beers will be relatively high ABV (7.0% +) stouts and porters. My tentative plan is two eight ounce glasses once per hour for 4 hours . . . . I think 8 ounces is enough to make a pretty good guess on which beer you like more between two so I am primarily interested in an opinion on the minimum (4/5/6/7 oz)? The advantage to less is everyone can try more beers (or drink less alcohol . . . and yes, four pints of RIS is too much alcohol in 4 hours for most people most of the time). I will have at least 16 different beers on hand in adequate quantities . . . probably more . . . and for some of the guys they will be almost all new.
    2. the beers: I am planning on 16 or more varieties. I already have eleven on hand (Bells Expedition Stout, Middle Ages Dragonslayer, Alesmith Speedway Stout, Long Trail Unearthed, Founders Breakfast Stout, Unita Bourbon Barrel Aged Out, Sierra Nevada Narwhal, Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout, Lagunita’s Imperial Stout, BP Victory at Sea and Stone Xocoveza). So I need to come up with at least five more. I also have a bomber or two of ET Imperial Doughnut Break, SN Trip in Wood (BA Narwhal w/ Courants), Southern Tier Warlock and some cans of ET Even More Jesus that I can probably add to get up to 66/72+ ounces of each. Selection here (Elmira, NY) is decent but not great (e.g., I picked up the Even More Jesus out of town and don't know if I can add to that locally), and in the absence of some compelling recommendations I will probably just fill out the menu with what is easily accessible (TEN Fidy, Old Rasputin, Great Divide’s Yeti varieties, Victory Storm King) but maybe I should balance the styles (a Baltic Porter ?, some more extreme Stout variants ?)
    3. anything else I should know? foods to have/avoid? drink the beers at the same time or one after another?
    I have read the site section on reviewing beers but would welcome directions to any other useful articles.

    I am not too picky on any of this, but there really is no excuse not to learn from others. :slight_smile:

    Thank you for reading this far,

    Eric
     
  2. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    I think 8 oz is too much. 4 oz per serving tops.
    16 beers is too many. In theory it sounds great but that many heavy beers are just too much. I would say 8 beers is the max.
    Have something much lighter to break up the heavy beers. I think saisons are awesome for reviving the taste buds after a few heavy beers.
    I know you have a great plan. Unless everyone else is as beer geeky, your plan is probably going to fall apart. Just roll with it and have fun.
     
  3. elucas730

    elucas730 Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2010 New York

    1. First, the math: based on the ABV of the beers you listed, 8oz pours of 16 beers is roughly the same amount of alcohol as 30 oz of 40% liquor. That's nearly a liter bottle of Jack Daniels per person.

    2. With your statement that for some people these will all be new, it doesn't sound like everyone is necessarily a beer geek who is into rating and reviewing beers. For them, being forced into rating or reviewing a beer every 15 minutes might seem like a chore. And for you, pouring 11 beer every 15 minutes is also a chore. Sit back, relax, watch some football, and drink some beer.

    3. As has been said, drinking stout after stout after stout will lead to palate fatigue, whether it's after 2 or after 12. Break it up with lighter and/or hoppier beers.

    4. If you really want to have fun with stouts, come down to the North Brewery on Friday December 16 at noon for Big Bad Leather Daddy (BBLD) release day (11% Russian Imperial Stout). 4 versions will be released in bottles: regular BBLD, Barrel Aged BBLD, Double Barrel Aged BBLD, and Thick BBLD (13% version).
     
  4. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Drink in whatever order and pace the group is comfortable with. 4-6 ounce pours plenty big enough. Talk about the beer during commercials. Don't get too geeky. You will be able to use the experience of this first one to plan even better ones.
     
  5. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Thanks for the response. I will keep in mind the "palette fatigue" . . . I thought that might be an issue, but it would not have occurred to me to try a happier / lighter beer to navigate that. I thought the solution, if one existed, might be food / water related.

    I seem to have failed to include, or edited out, that the original design was 8 ounces of two different beers each hour . . . so each person would be given 8 ounces of each of 8 beers over 4 hours. The downsides were that's a lot of alcohol for those that have a moral obligation to dumping and that there would be sixteen beers total, so everyone be missing out on hand of the beers. It sounds like missing out on a bunch of options might not be a bad thing,
     
  6. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Thank you for the tips. I mentioned above that I (apparently) poorly worded my original post and that I was shooting for 8 half-pints per person total and was worried the total ounces might be too much, but it sounds like the total beers might be a bigger problem.

    I had to look up North Brewery, I had not heard of it, but that sounds like something I would want to be at. It has been added to my calendar.
     
  7. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    1. Don't save the best beer for last, if you think you have a whale. I've been to too many tastings where we saved the most anticipated beer towards the end and I didn't enjoy it as much as I would have if it was in the middle or so.

    2. Smaller pours. 4 oz is plenty. Imagine drinking a flight...4oz.

    3. Let the stouts warm up before you pour them.

    4. If you have a lot of stouts, do 2-3 in a row, but break up with a saison or something mild.

    5. Plenty of finger foods to cleanse the palate, or consider pairing foods with the beers; if you're doing a lot of IPAs, consider something spicy to eat, like chili, etc.

    6. Rinse your glass after each beer with a bit of water and drink the rinse...cleans the glass and hydrates you.

    7. Make sure everyone ubers!
     
  8. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    Just pour the beers, watch the game, talk about either, and have a good time. Too many rules and getting too deep into dissecting the beers ruins the vibe.
     
  9. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Thank you, I will definitely try and incorporate some of the suggestions. I think #3 hits on my biggest concern with #2 . . . for certain stout (Russian Imperials, in particular) I like to start with the stout a little too cold and drink it very slowly. My perception is the taste changes as it warms and I like to enjoy the trip. That doesn't seem to happen with some stouts and maybe the compromise is varying the pour size by the type . . . or maybe I am in the minority here and 4 oz is plenty.
     
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  10. NorfairLegend

    NorfairLegend Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2014 Illinois

    Not sure if fruit in between wrecks the palette but I like to have a bunch on hand to snack on. Light, filling but not too full, hydrating and to me at least, a bit of mango or strawberry before any beer only adds to the flavor profile.

    What we usually end up doing when we get together is kind of a bottle share but more just a fun get together. When someone really likes a beer, they will usually be pretty vocal about it so you know when you've got a hit. There's that one that stops everyone to find out what it is, the others just continue to get drank and the night/conversation goes on. You are sort of rating beers but not placing a huge emphasis on it.

    Unless you are looking for a certain metric, just pour and enjoy. Let the beers speak for you.
     
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  11. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Thanks for the tips.

    The only food on the menu so far is chicken wing dip . . . I will experiment with different fruits between now and then and see where that takes me.

    I wasn't planning on getting reviews on the beers . . . just an indicated preference between whatever two beers they were comparing. The idea was that everyone would have a different pair of beers . . . and they would not know ahead of time what two, so I suspect the focus of the day, for half or more of the people, will be the football games with the beer as a backdrop.
     
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  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I'll give you my two cents even though I'm giving you different advice from others.

    A 4 oz glass is too little. Yeah, you get a good sense of the beer, but if you're really interested in preferences, it's just too little. I'm thinking 8-10 oz is the way to go. A 4 oz pour is a good indication if you like the beer as a 4 oz pour.

    Split up the stouts. Do coffee stouts and bourbon barrel stouts on a different day. Do stouts with neither of those influences separate! Don't have other beers (saisons, Budweiser) as a part of this. Limit the number of stouts to a number that is sensible. No one should be drinking more than 8 (off the top of my head) 8 oz pours of an imperial stout (at an extreme). I like your idea of two at a time over time.
     
  13. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Thank you zid.

    As far as splitting up the stouts . . . if I told you that half (or slightly more than half) of the guys don't have a guess how many different styles / varieties exist would you still be in favor of splitting them up? I.e., for half of these guys, who are all beer fans, I would think main takeaway would be a preferred style or two. They would have some direction for future "research".

    Or, maybe not . . . I often have no idea what people are thinking. :slight_smile:
     
  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Definitely.
     
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  15. moshea

    moshea Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2007 Michigan

    I get why you want to schedule the beers, but once the juice starts flowing, the game is on, people start chatting and wander in and out of the room, you may be hard pressed to stick to that schedule.
     
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  16. moshea

    moshea Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2007 Michigan

    I am just guessing here but are you an engineer? Maybe a scientist?
     
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  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    This question leads me to chime in here.

    One of the most successful stout tastings I've arranged included only one Brewery's stout, the Weyerbacher Old Heathen, which is no longer bottled, and their Bourbon barrel aged version of the same stout, called Heresy. In addition there were the same 3 different bottling years of each, for a total of six versions of the stout.

    We started with most recent bottlinga of the Old Heathen and Heresy so folks could get a sense of effects of the bourbon barrel. We then moved on to the next bottling year so they could get a sense of the effects of a year of bottle aging on each beer and then concluded the tasting with the 2 year old bottles of Old Heathen and Heresey.

    What seemed most informative for the folks who were new to aging beers and to the effects of bourbon barrels is that they were able to compare and contrast.

    In addition, there was enough beer left from the tastings that once the first six glasses had been finished folks could go back and revisit one or more of the beers that they thought they had enjoyed the most.

    For that reason I'd echo @zid's recommendation that you separate the beers along some consistent dimension, e.g., regular, coffee, etc., so your guests have a better chance of understanding what it is that they like about their favorites.

    But then I'd disagree with him about the size of the pour and suggest 4 oz is more than enough if you provide your guests with unsalted crackers and lots of water between each beer sample to freshen the palate. This leaves your guests the option of going back for more of their favorite(s).

    The other thing we did that evening was to serve the serious food till after the main tasting so that folks could get something to eat but also not "pollute" their palate during and between beers with strong flavors from the foods. It was also helpful to have some spare pencils and paper available if folks wanted to take notes about what they were picking up from each beer.
     
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  18. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 California

    You may want have some light beer on hand (or something like a blonde ale/pils, etc) for those who are just showing up to watch the game and knock a few back. Not that I'm against tastings, but just be sure they know you're not "springing" a beer trap for them that they won't enjoy or appreciate. YMMV.

    You know you're guests better than we do, but my experience is I have a group of craft beer drinkers that enjoy sports as well as sports enthusiasts who enjoy drinking beer. Make sure you know which ones you have. They may seem similar, but can be quite different under the surface.

    If the games are one sided you may have more opportunity for discussion and tastings. If the games are good, or your guests favorite team(s) are playing, you might be one of the few doing side-by-side comparisons.

    Don't open too many at once and not too many rules. I wouldn't open anything in a small format that you don't mind someone "bogarting" in front of the tv because, "it tastes pretty good."
     
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  19. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Did the questionable English give it away?
     
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  20. LuckFreeZone

    LuckFreeZone Devotee (373) Oct 24, 2016 New York
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    Thank you for the detailed response. Weyerbacher Heresy was one of the first big stouts I had. I have not seen it the past eighteen months or so.

    I am (mostly) committed to going with different styles on the day, but can see the wisdom in pairing similar beers. Every one coming knows it will be dark beers with a high ABV . . . but for a couple of the guys dark beer my mean Murphy's Stout . . . or Lone Star Bock . . . so a sense of the variation might be nice.

    I am still completely up in the air on the pour size. I think 4 oz is plenty some of the time . . . maybe 50%, maybe 30%, maybe 80%. I suspect 8 oz is plenty most of the time. I know sometimes (rarely, but sometimes) it takes me, personally, a couple of beers to make up my mind. I may just leave it up to the individuals.
     
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