English Dark Mild

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  1. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Been a while since I chimed in on the forums. Homebrewing has taken a backseat to life for a while. However, hosting Christmas this year and was looking to crank out a few quick beers to fill the kegerator. One will be a simple pale ale and the other I was hoping for a dark Mild. I've never brewed a Mild and only have a few darker beers to my credit. If anyone has a foolproof dark Mild recipe or tips they'd like to share it would be appreciated. I'm hoping to use wyeast 1098 as the yeast (have on hand) , if this is an acceptable choice.

    Thanks very much for any input and Happy Holidays, all!
     
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  2. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    I guess it depends on how close to traditional you want to go, like anything. If you're a real stickler for tradition you'll want to make some invert sugar/syrup. If not, I would read the links below and go from there.

    I would personally aim for a low OG in the 1.03s, english strain to your preference, and dark crystal enough to get you to your preferred color range.

    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2014/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1945-tetleys-mild.html
    http://byo.com/hops/item/1151-mild-ale-its-not-dead-yet

    EDIT: unfortunately it looks like Notch ran out of their dark mild, which was fantastic and well worth the trip to Salem.
     
  3. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Here is the recipe for the last mild that I made. It turned out well. It's a 10 gallon batch so scale accordingly.

    Grain
    13lb Maris Otter
    1lb UK 135/165
    1lb UK Crystal 30
    8oz UK Chocolate Malt

    Hops
    .5 oz CZPrem 10.6AA 60 min
    1 oz EKG 5.1AA 20 min

    Yeast
    WY1469 West Yorkshire

    CALCS
    1.040 OG, 1.013 FG, 3.6 ABV, 18 IBU, 20 SRM
     
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  4. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Thanks very much, what is UK 135/165?
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Thanks very much, will read through these links. I will post back what I come up with
     
  6. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

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    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    I liked this one, was (roughly) based on an old Lees recipe

    OG 1.035
    FG 1.008
    3.5%
    IBU 25

    78% Marris Otter
    10% Invert no 3
    4% Crystal medium
    4% Chocolate
    2% Brown Malt
    2% Black Malt

    Hops - Fuggles/ekg/challenger etc start of boil for 25 IBUs
    15 g dry hop styrian goldings

    A nice flavoursome English yeast
     
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  8. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    How does this look?

    6.5 84% Maris Otter 38
    0.5 6% Crisp Crystal 120 35
    0.5 6% Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L 34
    0.25 3% Chocolate (MFB, 340 SRM) 28

    Kent Goldings, UK P 0.5 60 7.2 18.7
    Kent Goldings, UK P 0.5 5 7.2 3.7

    (@5.78 Gal) Predicted Pre-Boil OG: 1.032
    (@4.03 Gal) Predicted Post-Boil OG: 1.047
    Predicted Apparent Attenuation: 72.1%
    Predicted FG: 1.013
    (traditional) Predicted ABV: 4.4%

    Predicted Standard Tinseth IBUs: 22
    Modified Tinseth Model IBUs: 22
    Predicted SRM: 21
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @jlordi12, a couple of things.

    I think this recipe will produce a tasty beer but an OG of 1.047 (4.4% ABV) is above style for a Dark Mild. Just pointing that out.

    What yeast will you be using?

    Cheers!
     
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  10. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Jack, Was going to use 1098 (have it on hand). good choice?
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Which yeast you select is a matter of what yeast produced flavor profile you want; a matter of personal preference.

    I have never brewed with 1098 but I have brewed several times with the dry yeast equivalent: Fermentis S-04. But here is the situation; I have used S-04 for more characterful beers (e.g., Oatmeal Stout, ‘NE’ style IPA, etc.) so I do not have good experience with the specific flavor profile it would provide in a beer style like a Dark Mild.

    My personal favorite English yeast strains for brewing my Bitter Ales are WY1469 and Danstar Windsor. I like these two strains since they provide a nice ester profile (i.e., fruity flavors) that is appealing to my palate.

    Maybe some other BA who is more experienced in using 1098 in English style beers can provide you with more input here.

    My inclination since I am typically a pragmatic brewer is to state: since you have 1098 why not use it to brew your Dark Mild?

    Cheers!
     
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  12. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I have no experience with WY1098 so I can't recommend or not. It is supposedly the same strain as S04, which I have not used in years. It's a very good strain with only one big demerit IMO, it's too bready.

    Like @JackHorzempa I can't recommend WY1469 more highly. The fruity ester profile is perfect to me.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The Wyeast folks suggest 1469 for Mild Ales:

    “STRAIN: 1469

    West Yorkshire Ale™

    This strain produces ales with a full chewy malt flavor and character, but finishes dry, producing famously balanced beers. Expect moderate nutty and stone-fruit esters. Best used for the production of cask-conditioned bitters, ESB and mild ales. Reliably flocculent, producing bright beer without filtration.”

    https://www.wyeastlab.com/yeast-strain/west-yorkshire-ale

    Cheers!
     
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  14. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Scale it to keep the OG (post-boil) at ~ 1.040, sub in some flaked barley for a bit of the MO, mash high (~158F) and you're good to go. FWIW, I've never used anything but S-04 for my mild. Kettle to glass in 5 days or less.

    Also, I'd lower the IBU target to ~ 14, but that's just my preference.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Joe, do you perceive the often discussed "bready flavor" from using S-04 for brewing your Mild Ales?

    Cheers!
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Jack, I think doughy is a better descriptor.
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Peter, is the doughy aspect enjoyable for you?

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    The second time I noticed it, I stopped using S04. EDIT -- I hate it when I notice it!

    For dry yeasts in milds/English brown ales, I have used Windsor, Nottingham, the Mangrove Jack strain formerly known as Newcastle Dark (I think they changed the name), and S04. (I just named them in order of my preference). The Windsor took a blue ribbon at the WI State Fair 7 or 8 years ago.

    If I am using liquid yeasts, West Yorkshire has been the one I have turned to most frequently in recent years when I brew English beers.
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Peter, thanks for that input!

    I have used S-04 a number of times but I have always purposefully used it for beers that have a lot of character/flavor such that the doughy quality would be obfuscated by the other flavors. For example, I have a Galaxy/Citra IPA going right now (I dry hopped it today) that I brewed with S-04. Given the high hopping rate of this beer I am 100% sure I will not notice any doughy flavors in this batch of beer.

    Cheers!
     
  20. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    It's always been more of a 'pretzel-y' thing to me, if I notice anything that I'd say is unique to S-04 - but it's subtle and always seems to work with the malts. FWIW, I always ferment on the very cool side with it (55-60 F). It's been a go-to yeast for me for many years, particularly any time I'm looking for something fast & reliable, (not to mention super-convenient) for lower gravity British styles.
     
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