Beer Karma. Is it back?

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by KRubes, Dec 21, 2016.

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  1. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I'm okay with not seeing the exact formula - I recall from the past that the things that gave the highest amount of karma were full reviews of beers/places, adding beers/places, and adding photos for beers/places with a lesser amount provided for activities like rating a beer/place and forum activity. I have no idea what the actual formula for providing the karma was, just noticed that karma increased more quickly with the activities I listed first above.

    It seemed with the published list of criteria, there were a number of people trying to game the system to get more karma more quickly that longterm contributors to the site.
     
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  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Quite the opposite. Before there was very little math. Just some milestones and rudimentary math. It was boring, too. Now it's quite complex in comparison and considers numerous ways that a user can contribute or not.
     
  3. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I'm sure you guys have some formula, I just would rather be able to see it or see how to get karma points, not that I even care that much about the points or even had much to begin with. I'm still fairly new here and have established a nice beer record in the year and 700 points seems nice, but the karma points just seem random now that we can't see how we got those points. I'm okay with the random points though for the most part. I just won't take it too seriously when I see points with no knowing of how people even got them. I understand that reviewing and adding things should be worth more than just making a million posts and getting a million likes. I guess I just liked it better when I knew how and why I got karma points. All good though.
     
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  4. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    For someone who's repeatedly stated that they don't care about all of this, you seem to have a lot to say. :astonished:
     
  5. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    What I mean is that the points don't matter to me. I'm not someone who is out to top everybody with beer karma. There will always be people with more karma than me, and I respect the whole community here, especially the long term contributors who are still here every week, and of course you creators and moderators of the site. A lot of people wanted beer karma back and you brought it back and that's great. I'm just one person with an opinion, and like I said I'm fine with the way it is, even though I liked it better the previous way, but we can't always get what we want and that's fine. :slight_smile:

    Cheers
     
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  6. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Yeah. I think we all get that at this point. :wink:
     
  7. Wasatch

    Wasatch Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,050) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    I think dbrauneis stated it nicely, in post #21.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    Not sure I understand that, but okay. I know you don't want people only contributing for the sake of getting Karma points, but I know I would contribute even more when I knew I was close; adding beers, places, photos, etc. The levels keep you motivated.
     
  9. Eddiehop

    Eddiehop Pooh-Bah (2,122) Jun 28, 2014 Texas
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    I want to be a Grand Poobah, damnit!
     
  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Indeed, and it will be. Such is the way of Beer Karma.
     
  11. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    I'm happy again, my life has direction!!!
     
  12. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California
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    Now how about hats?
     
  13. Wasatch

    Wasatch Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,050) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    Still got my shirt, that I bought probably around 2006.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Yeah, I have to admit that knowing the breakdown of how points are awarded would provide motivation. It's kind of like handing exams back to students without telling them how they got their grade :slight_smile:. I also know that this has been stated several times and that my statement will not change anything.
     
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  15. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    The whole point in not telling you is so you just enjoy the website without trying to seek out beer karma.
     
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  16. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Absolutely, but that is already accomplished without Karma. It's a point system, so people will naturally seek the underlying mechanism of the system.
     
  17. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Well stated. From what little I know about 'karma' (and from what I just learned by googling the term), the usage of the word 'Karma' in 'Beer Karma' seems to work well here, in that as with traditional karma it follows the 'law of cause and effect' to an extent, such that the 'law' is not precisely known (at least not by anyone living). :wink:

    Besides, where is the fun in knowing EXACTLY how the points are rewarded? Participation on this site is about enjoyment more than anything else, no?
     
  18. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Now I find myself watching it and seeing it go up by a few and wondering what it was that I did. I did have fond thoughts of a few regulars on here, maybe that's it? :wink:
     
  19. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    Just enjoy the website, I lost my poobah rating, but I'm here to discuss beer. Even though I do wish I had my rating back it doesn't change how I'll contribute here.
     
  20. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    so to me it seems the 'new/old' beer karma system is reminiscent to Calvinball....

    please never divulge the rating scale as it's infinitely more interesting this way :slight_smile:
     
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