Wet dog/roadkill off-flavor?

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  1. Rcaros

    Rcaros Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Texas

    On some stouts and barleywines, i get what can only be described as a wet-dog-smell or a roadkill smell after taste. Not as intense as those smells but its only what comes to mind when i taste it.

    Beers that come to mind are coconut vas, vanilla bean stout, abyss, fresh old fog horn, old ruffian, lizard of koz just to name a few...

    Anyone have any idea of what this may be?
     
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  2. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I have never had this happen. Are you sure you don't have a cold or something like that causing your taste to be off? I totally get it if you get a bad beer but it sounds like many beers are having this same issue of funk.
    Anyway, hope you resolve this, I would not want a wet dog tasting beer that is for sure. :wink:
    Cheers!

    Edit: What also came to mind is glassware? Is it possible your tasting dishwasher soap or other cleaning fluids off glass, that also could be what is causing it or if your towel to dry it is funky? Just an idea....
     
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  3. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Yikes. I can't say I've had anything that bad. I do think all brown ales smell like musty air. I'm still not sure what that flavor, ingredient, etc. truly is, but whenever I sniff a brown ale is smells like a water bottle that's been left in my basement for several years and then opened.
     
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  4. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Perhaps I'm lucky, I have no idea what roadkill smells like :slight_smile:
     
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  5. laketang

    laketang Grand Pooh-Bah (3,017) Mar 22, 2015 Arizona
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    my guess is vanilla in beer are off-putting to your nose, as well as beer aged in red wine barrels. maybe you are getting a sour funk from those.
     
  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I've had infected stouts, but it was a sour cherry hit. I've had bad beers before but nothing so vile as to be called road kill.
     
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  7. Wasatch

    Wasatch Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,050) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    I'd quit drink.

    Cheers!
     
  8. Rcaros

    Rcaros Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Texas

    Im definitely thinking vanilla has something to do with it
     
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  9. Casey3236

    Casey3236 Pooh-Bah (1,641) Sep 14, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I've heard people describe brett saisons as having wet dog flavor like it was a good thing! (sometimes the phrase horse blanket is used, also not what I would call a desired flavor). But the glassware is a likely culprit; we had a problem with our dishwasher that glasses smelled fine until you put liquid in them, then they smelled vaguely fishy. Ran the dishwasher empty with detergent a few times and it went away
     
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  10. ivegot3Dvision

    ivegot3Dvision Pooh-Bah (1,810) Feb 9, 2015 Oregon
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    I think that vanilla has zero to do with it as only 3 of the beers he mentioned include vanilla.

    The "wet dog" smell could be similar to a "wet cardboard" scent which could be oxidation, if some of those beers were aged a bit, I could see that being part of it. Maybe you're a bit more receptive to that particular flavor.

    "Road kill" is an interesting one. You've made it a point to mention that the Old Foghorn was fresh. Anchor dry hops Old Foghorn with Cascade hops, which also happen to be an extremely common hop in American brewing. Since Cascade hops have fairly low alpha and beta acid percentages, and have a good balance of bittering to flavor profile, it's extremely common in those beers you describe.

    I'm just going to assume you might perceive the breakdown of the beta acids in a particular hop as the flavors you describe. It could also be a kind of malt all of them have in common.

    Your mouth could also be broken, if that's a thing.
     
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  11. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    On a related note to the OP, I recently had an IPA that smelled distinctly of that pungent acidic smell of vomit... yes vomit. My wife confirmed the beer's smell too, and she is more than happy to tell me I'm wrong and set me straight when needed! It was a fresh draft of Hill Farmstead Abner IPA, so needless to say it was a shocker to me. Thankfully, the beer tasted fine, but I could not shake the smell from my mind.
     
  12. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    I know the funky thing is popular, but I hope no one brews anything that purposely smells or tastes like wet dog or road kill
     
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  13. ivegot3Dvision

    ivegot3Dvision Pooh-Bah (1,810) Feb 9, 2015 Oregon
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    That's definitely butyric acid and can be caused by bacteria during the making of the wort, or after bottling. It's a fairly common infection.
     
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  14. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I hope vomitty and road kill aromatics in beer aren't the next thing: Hold Your Nose Old Jim Beam Sour Mash Rainbow Brown.
     
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  15. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Interesting. I didn't know that. It's also not my first infected beer from Hill Farmstead either.
     
  16. DrLasers

    DrLasers Devotee (398) Apr 18, 2011 California

    Well, a positive takeaway of regular exposure to roadkill and wet dog aroma is being prepared for the Zombie Apocalypse.

    Keep training.
     
  17. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I could see "wet dog" being close to "barnyard" or "horse blanket", which can be a positive in certain beers. With "roadkill" though, there's so many variables: what type of animal, how long it's been there, weather conditions, that I can't really dial in on that. It's always possible that that is just how your palate is. we all don't taste the same things the same way, and some times we can have Blind Spots in our palates. For example, I have a hard time picking up diacytle, so a beer could be loaded with it and I wouldn't notice. Maybe the OP's palate is very sensitive to certain bugs?
     
  18. ivegot3Dvision

    ivegot3Dvision Pooh-Bah (1,810) Feb 9, 2015 Oregon
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    I thought about brett character as well, but since they're all clean beers by big breweries, I can't imagine them all being infected.
     
  19. mwginnh

    mwginnh Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2010 Massachusetts

    I heard that Dead Possum Porter is dropping this week.
     
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  20. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I did some additional googling and found this article on butyric acid and found this informative page: http://www.milkthefunk.com/wiki/Butyric_Acid

    This part also caught my eye because seems to be exactly what I experienced with the Hill Farmstead Abner where I could clearly smell something off, but it tasted fine: "...The aroma and flavor is often described as a vomit, bile, or rancid cheese. The odor threshold is quite low (240 ppb) while the flavor threshold is much higher (2000-6800 ppb)..."

    Also from the article Clostridium bacteria is commonly found on grains and is often the culprit for butyric acid in beer. The bacteria is impressively resistant to temperature and it's spores can even survive boiling water up to 1.5 hours! Wow!

    I read another anecdotal account from a brewer who said they had a batch of beer go bad due to butyric acid which they attributed to some bacteria on a batch hops they used for dry-hopping.
     
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