Transient Reserve Society

Hop Butcher's NE IPAs are garbage and fall off after a couple days

 

Don't hold back!! LOL

 

*DIPA

Respectfully, I would ask you to please not take that tone with me.

 

This is exactly what I was hoping to avoid here!

 

Facetious or not, this is actually an interesting point. While I don't think Hop Butcher's NE DIPAs are garbage (I actually really enjoy them), to me there is a clear difference in quality compared to Transient. Hop Butcher DIPAs don't come off nearly as hoppy and do tend to fall off much quicker. This leads me to believe Transient likely uses a lot more hops or has a better process for saturating their beers with hop oils. Having had JiL side by side with GB, JiL is the clear winner for me and is worth the higher price tag.

 

For me I have preferred every Hop Butcher NE IPA/DIPA to JIL (which has nothing to do with my stance in this thread). I think it's just further proof tastes change. Also FWIW, I had a Galaxy Bowl that was like a month old and found it was the most similar HB beer I've had to JIL.

 

1. Please tell me when I insulted anyone. I already asked this with the response from the OP being that I never did. So if you have different information I would appreciate it.

2. My response was about your issue with price directly. I explained why several times. And no, comparing across formats is not crazy. Comparing accross production size is. I posited that my beer, which (the beer inside aside) costs more to package in a can than it would for me in a bomber, but is somehow devalued based on solely the fact that it was in a can.. I asked multiple times for you to explain to me why bombers cost more using anything other than "historically they do" (which is not an answer) and never heard a response. I also explained to you that bombers are more expensive typically because they are made by small brewers that operate under difference economies of scale. Many large breweries that use that format are therefor allowed to get away with pricing higher just because of their perception as having more value. They don't.

3. As for my response about what was available in my taproom, this might be an issue with how you interpreted what I said. I answered your question and you asked again. I didn't know if you had seen what I wrote, so I replied again. We update Facebook as cans/bottles run out, and then usually fill growlers of what ran out. We update Facebook almost every time a beer runs out on draft as well.

4. I charged a price that with standard industry markup would be $20. That's what's in my control in this situation.

5. Without taking anything away from Hop Butcher (they are good friends of mine) they all have full time jobs and this is not necessarily their source of income. I won't go into how our finances differ otherwise, but I have overhead that they don't, including a building, utilities and employees (albeit only 1 full time and 1 part time).

Saying I responded about anything but the economics of why my beer costs what it does is wrong. The point where it moved from a discussion on price/me defending my position/business to whatever this is was when nobody that is complaining about the price would back up their opinion with facts.

 

I tried

 

I think that HB does a slightly fuller mouthfeel in their beers, and I'm wondering if that's due to the presence of oats in the beer. If so, that would explain why the hop flavor doesn't come through as strongly; I've noticed some of the NE IPAs around here that use oats have pretty fully bodies and a very opaque color, but taste muted.

The first batch of GB was pretty great, I thought (I've heard the more recent batch is inferior), but I can see why people would prefer JIL (as I've said, I prefer it myself, but not to the point where one is "great" and one is "horrible").

I will say that my batch of GB fell off very quickly, though. Hopefully my JIL cans won't be around long enough for me to compare.

 

We get it. You are the only brewer in the US out of 4,000+ with a unique situation-
-You have cans not bombers so you charge more
-You have a lot more overhead than smaller brewers so it forces you to charge more
-You don't produce as much as larger brewers so it forces you to charge more

And all these factors are why you sell the most expensive 4 pack in the Great Lakes.

 

I don't understand the outcry, if he was sitting on a pile of JiL wondering how he was going to sell it, I would expect a price change. The shit sells incredibly quick, so there are obviously a ton of people not concerned with the price.

If you sold a product that had little to no shelf time, would you charge less because of people on the internet bitching about your price?

I think BBA Old Rasp is overpriced, therefore I don't buy it. I think its a good beer and $25 for a 500ml bottle is steep, but I have never imagined posting about it online(until now for example sake)

 

Just kind of being a dick now, huh?

 

Little too nail on the head for you?

 

It just seems personal at this point

 

Why? Why respond with the BS and not just let it go? Vote with your wallet. If enough people feel like you do then Transient has two choices...Either continue and risk loss or drop the price and reduce profit margin.
But now it is getting to the point of you just trying to being a dick.....
We get it you don't like their price...Why not just move along....

To Transient:
If I was anyone from Transient I wouldn't take the bait and get caught up in this pissing match.

Quite honestly I have heard great things about Transient beers from some friends and came here to check out what was happening with them and beer releases.

The last couple pages of BS has made it difficult....

 

And the rest of us get YOU too- you don't have anything intelligent to say in response to Chris' very specific points, so you retreat into the spin zone and distort/oversimplify his points. Let's not forget this whole thing kicked up when you gaslighted him by claiming he was either a bad business man who gets "taken over a barrel" or he was simply price-gouging and taking advantage of people. After that you claimed his ego was bigger than the quality of his beer. Stop trying to act like any of that's not childish, troll behavior.

The worst part is, you continue to ignore obvious- per ounce, he is definitely NOT charging out of line within the industry. Hell, every fish bomber PW puts out is nearly double the per oz price, and PW is a golden model for many of us (I am also a big PW fanboy, fwiw).

So to sum up, you obviously have a personal vendetta against Chris. You also stopped responding to facts with facts. Why not stop wasting the rest of all of our time pretending there is a factual reason for your whining and character assassination?

 

I've never had a bad transient beer, thanks for pushing out some good beverages!

 

@DeadWax well put.

This thread is just getting shitty for the sake of people wanting to be shitty. If any of the people complaining are part of the reserve society (Mich or IL), let me know, I will take your spot.

 

I'd be please if they just drop distributing to Chicago and hit SE MI instead.

 

In reality, he is charging LESS per ounce than some other breweries putting DIPA's in bombers but you continue to ignore this FACT.

But you have to just be trolling at this point as no semi-intelligent human being would continue with your hollow arguments. Don't buy any of Transient's beer, its pretty simple.