Transitioning to all grain...

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  1. umichfan

    umichfan Initiate (0) May 10, 2011 Iowa
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    I'll be transitioning to all grain brewing after spending the last 8 years brewing extract. Any tips or advice if you could redo that transition all over again?
     
  2. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    One of the joys of all-grain mashing is the stuck sparge. For your first few all-grain batches, I recommend using copious rice hulls so that you don't have to worry about it. This may be overkill, but it is one less thing to worry about as you start getting experience with mashing.

    My other word of advice is to clean the spent grain out of your mash tun promptly (same day). That is not a cleaning job that you want to leave for the next day, because it can start to smell terrible.
     
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  3. Chris912

    Chris912 Pundit (803) Aug 5, 2014 Illinois
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    Some things I wish I knew, and other things I was advised of before tackling AG:

    Get a false bottom for your MLT. I got way too many stuck sparges before I spent the $40 on a nice SS false bottom.

    I wish I had tested the temperature stability my MLT before actually mashing. Obviously the grain will suck heat our while doughing in, but I'm talking about water-temp stability after that step is complete.

    Write down steps that might be 'forgotten' in the midst of conducting your first all grain. I forgot simple stuff like vorlouf and pre-heating sparge water on my first AG brewday.

    Lauter slowly, i went way too fast at first.

    Dont mess with water chemistry (too much) on first few brews. Listen to your LHBS suggestions.

    Double check your grain crush. Sometimes LHBS mills get out of adjustment due to a lot of use. Ask questions, they'll be happy to help.

    Dont overly obsess about efficiencies on your first couple batches. Of course monitor gravity readings at various stages, but increasing efficiency should be something to work on after the basics are second nature.

    Get BeerSmith, or similar.

    Last but not least (at least for me) have fun while brewing! For many of us, brewing is relatively 'therapeutic' so dont forget that part.
     
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  4. kkleu357

    kkleu357 Savant (1,170) Apr 2, 2014 Wisconsin
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    Yah, I started off using BeerSmith and it was great. Helps greatly when trying to dough in and hit the correct mash temp. My first try I hit the temp perfectly.

    As for water chemistry, I've been doing that since day 1. It's fairly easy once you get going. I also think it's very important, so I'd do some of it. I know some guys that just use straight tap water to brew, and I definitely think my beer turns out much better.

    But my main advise, assuming you know the process, is start brew day early. It'll probably take 50% longer than you plan on your first time.
     
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  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Build for the future. If you enjoy big beers like imperial stouts or barleywine you should buy or make the right sized equipment. Also, if you're into double batching, same thing, buy big. Conversely if you go too big you may have too much space in the mash tun, which leads to looooong sparges and stuck sparges due to grain bed depth. I have a 10 gallon mash tun for 5 gallon low gravity beers, and 15 gallon converted kegs for the big jobs.
     
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  6. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    If you're not doing batches larger than 5 gallons, I would highly recommend starting with BIAB. It's a cheap way to get into all-grain, especially if you already have all the right-sized equipment from doing extract brews. It's faster than the traditional mash and lauter setup, and stuck sparges are non-existent. There are probably some down-sides to BIAB depending on what you want to do, but I've not found any yet.
     
  7. umichfan

    umichfan Initiate (0) May 10, 2011 Iowa
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    Thanks. I've heard a bit about BIAB, but I'm not overly familiar. I'll do some more digging.
     
  8. umichfan

    umichfan Initiate (0) May 10, 2011 Iowa
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    I can imagine the headache of trying to clean that out the next day...thanks for the tip!
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Brew in a Bag
     
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  10. FandHbrewing

    FandHbrewing Initiate (0) May 18, 2016 Colorado

    Been said but if you don't already have your 3 vessels or 2 plus the cooler BIAB is an easy entry. I actually went from a cooler back to BIAB. It is just way easier to hit temps don't have to account for all the loss during transfers. Pretty easy to rig up a little pully to help get the bag out. Can do pretty much whatever a 3 vessel can do and can add some control if you want more precision. I do think the 2 vessel is probably the most efficient when it comes to control, space and ease of use.
     
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  11. brchapman

    brchapman Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2014 Georgia

    Just to pile on..I transitioned a couple years ago from extract to all grain using BIAB. I purchased a high quality, 16 gallon SS brew pot, a high quality bag, (which has lasted 30+ brews), and a cheapo pully from Harbor Freight. This setup, along with kegging, has worked well for me and would recommend this path for anyone.
     
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  12. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Doing a mash for the first time was confusing for me. I feel that it wasn't emphasized enough that you need to throughly stir for a few minutes. A wired thing I ran into: taking a temp on the tip of my igloo cooler yielded incorrect temp. It said it was too low when it was not. I solved this by getting a floating thermometer, and closed the lid and let it sit for a minute. I then got accurate temp results. pH is important, building a water profile; not so much.
     
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  13. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    Watch some all grain videos on Youtube. You'll get to see all of the steps in order and they will make much more sense to you. Get a digital thermometer. The dial thermometer that you've using for baking chicken won't give you the accuracy you want.
     
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  14. Hopfan74

    Hopfan74 Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2017 Minnesota

    two major tips, have about 6 hours of killer brewing tunes to listen to while brewing, and don't start drinking too heavy till getting close to clean up. (at least on your first few). Big thing to remember as well, have a blast and don't overthink it, good beer will come!!!!
     
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  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, use your favorite brewing software as a guide and make sure you understand the big picture: separate grain from wort efficiently while keeping temperature controlled and pH reasonable. There are easy ways to do this, but until you've done it, a lot can go wrong...and right if you've planned accordingly. :slight_smile:
     
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  16. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    -Pre-heat your mash tun, I've found it much easier to consistently hit my strike temperatures by doing this. I use some or all of my sparge water to do this, which saves time and energy heating sparge water later
    -Start with batch sparging. It's simple, effective, and leads to a shorter brew day. If you want to try fly sparging after a few batches, give it a shot and see what you prefer.
    -Make your first recipe a simple one with only one temperature rest, a SMASH of some sort is a good option.
     
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  17. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    I've only done all-grain.

    Without plowing over ground already covered, the thing that had me the most puckered over the first half dozen batches was getting the volumes of mash and sparge water to add up to the target volume into the boil. Then I bumped into the formulas to calculate that in How to Brew / Palmer. Then I discovered BrewCipher which works it all out for you.
     
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  18. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    Preheating my mash tun is what I wish I had known.
     
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  19. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    I'm trying to remember if I preheated my mash tun... I don't think I ever did, I never had problems hitting mash temps though. My efficiency was pretty good.
     
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