British Golden Ale

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  1. Mark-Leggett

    Mark-Leggett Pooh-Bah (2,317) Jul 30, 2014 Missouri
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    Local brewery here in Springfield Missouri has a beer they are calling a British Golden. This is not a style listed here on beer advocate. Is this a style or a sub-style of something else?
     
  2. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    It's Bitter without crystal malt.
     
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  3. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    As of 2015, the BJCP lists it as a sub-style of the Pale Commonwealth Beer category.

    https://beerrecipes.org/BJCP-2015-Style/37/12a-british-golden-ale.html

    My brewery actually just made one recently. I had never heard of it either but it turned out quite nice. It's a less malty and slightly weaker British pale ale, pretty dry with a good hop flavor.
     
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  4. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    As @patto1ro says,it is just bitter (aka Pale Ale) brewed using lightly roasted malts. Not a new style by any means although CAMRA thinks otherwise.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  6. Mark-Leggett

    Mark-Leggett Pooh-Bah (2,317) Jul 30, 2014 Missouri
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    Thank you for all the info!!!
     
  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Do you view the Golden/Summer ales that came about in the '90s as popular enough and distinctive enough (generally: lager malts, well hopped, served cooler) from the pale ale of the day (or the past) that it's deserving of being seen as a distinct style? Or is it a case of "going with what the brewer calls it?"
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In the BJCP style guideline for the British Golden Ale style there is a paragraph titled as “Style Comparison” which is telling:

    “Style Comparison: More similar to an American Pale Ale than anything else, although it is often lower in alcohol and usually features British ingredients. Has no caramel and fewer esters compared to British bitters and pale ales. Dry as bitters but with less malt character to support the hops, giving a different balance. Often uses (and features) American hops, more so than most other modern British styles.”

    British Golden Ales do not seem to be just Bitter Ales without crystal malt; there is more to it.

    I can certainly see why CAMRA views Golden Ales as a different beer style.

    Cheers!
     
  9. DrumKid003

    DrumKid003 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2013 Oklahoma

    Hmmm... didn't know another brewery had popped up just west of downtown. How long has Lost Signal been open? Because I don't remember hearing about them, or them being there, last summer/fall when I was hopping between White River, Mother's, Scotch & Soda, and 417 Taproom for a couple of days.
     
  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Because Bitter and Pale Ale are two names for the same thing. The brewers labelled them PA and the drinkers called them Bitter.Perhaps to distinguish them from the pale Milds of the time.
    Bitter is a very broad church.They can be exceptionally pale right through to coppery red.Every brewer made his beer to be distinctive.
    Bitters back in the day really lived up to the name. Over half the world's hops went into British beer.
     
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  11. anfield86

    anfield86 Pooh-Bah (2,606) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    "More similar to an American Pale Ale than anything else,..."
     
  13. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Some are,many are not. They have been around for a very long time and the range is vast.The error lies in confusing a descriptive term with a style.
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you for confirming that.
     
  15. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    No, they're just a type of Bitter. Boddingtons Bitter was golden and hoppy long before Summer Lightning. And the term Golden Ale was used in the 19th century.
     
  16. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    And what a wonderful pint Boddingtons was before the big boys took it over.
    And dont forget Bathams!
     
  17. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    All modern golden ales are bitters but not all bitters are golden ales I suppose :slight_smile:

    Modern ones by craft breweries tend to err on the side of hoppyness. Think BJCP american pale ale levels of hoppyness in flavour and perceived bitterness but usually less strong and with no caramel malts. At least that's my perception from the pubs I regularly drink them in . And they are usually the most common types of bitter available at those pubs - but I live in a scottish city so my pubs probably serve different selections compared to Marquis's usual drinking dens :slight_smile:


    Also, they tend to have a wider ranger of hop flavours than an APA as they use hops from all over rather than just predominantly american ones

    just looked at the BJCP description and history not withstanding looks pretty accurate for the modern ones
     
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  18. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    I'll never forget Bathams. Them, Tim Taylors and Harveys keep proper British beer alive. Like the stuff I drank 40 years ago.
     
  19. Mark-Leggett

    Mark-Leggett Pooh-Bah (2,317) Jul 30, 2014 Missouri
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    Lost Signal is who makes the beer I was talking about, they have been open a couple months now
     
  20. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    This is the perfect description of drinking ales across all of Great Britain....and beyond. I have humbly found these beers to be so "friendly", lovely to look at, well priced, and each different, but fresh, full and "strong" enough to allow several to be perfect. Hitchhiking in 1971 north out of London, my best friend and I were picked up by two vacationing students just like us. We stayed in their homes in York and Cardiff, traveled between them for 10 days in many out of the way places that they loved; north to Elgin and out to Cornwall. Best trip of my life! The great beer we found everywhere changed my life and is largely responsible for a long stint in the business. I want one now!
     
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