no krausen

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  1. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    April 5th: brewed an oatmeal stout (all grain). For an intended 1 gallon batch, I came out with 163oz wort with an OG of 1.082. As per Mr Malty, I pitched 4 grams of Safale 05 at ~72°F (I know it's high but I thought it was safe).

    April 8th: no krausen. I pitched 4 grams of Danstar Nottingham, this time rehydrated in 40ml filtered water (to mix things up).

    April 10th: no krausen. But, hydrometer reads 1.022.

    What does all this mean? There any reason to think that my beer's adversely effected? Relax don't worry? Drink it now, straight from my mini carboy?
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Do you know what the expected FG is? Nottingham usually attenuates well, so 1.022 sounds a bit high to me, but maybe it's to be expected based off of the rest of the recipe.

    My guess is you did have krausen. It just came and went before you noticed it.
     
  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Relax don't worry is a pretty good choice. If your gravity is 1.022, it sounds like fermentation has occurred. Was there a 'bathtub ring' around the side of your fermentor? What is the expected FG for your recipe?

    Also, If you are brewing a 1-gallon recipe and you got 163 oz. of wort and it had an OG of 1.082, did you ferment all of it? Something is wrong if you got that much wort when it should have been 128 oz?
     
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  4. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    You don't tell us why you pitched the second yeast 3 days after brewing? Did you measure gravity again? Or did you do it because there was no krausen? In 3 days the krausen may have come and gone already..... 3 days is about it for most standard fermentations, the rest of the time is the yeast finishing and cleaning up...
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That means you made beer!!

    Cheers!
     
  6. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Relax Sr. , your beer is way tooooooo young, figure it has about 8% of abv, this beer will need to be aged at least 5-6 months to let it mature otherwise you won`t let it reach its best performance.
     
  7. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    @scottakelly I am so certain there was no krausen. Blow off tube ran into a small bucket of StarSan water and there were never bubbles. And I'm unemployed, I had a watch.

    @Mothergoose03 I pop 1.1 gallons into BeerSmith because I rather come out over than under. I mashed 4.34lbs of grain (66% Marris Otter) in 173oz water for 75mins close to 155°F. Sparged with 116oz. No ring.

    @Jaguar10301 I pitched because there was no krausen. And I figure it couldn't hurt. Did I figure wrong?

    @JackHorzempa Cheers buddy!

    @Tebuken that long? So secondary it once I get some stable gravities to avoid autolysis?
     
  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    This doesn't have anything to do with your fermentation, but I'm curious about the amounts of liquid that you mention which don't seem to add up for a 1-gallon recipe. Was the 163 oz. and OG of 1.082 pre-boil or post-boil? If you were aiming at 1.1 gallons of wort that would have given you 140 oz. to ferment, so the 163 oz. is about 20% higher than intended, yet your gravity reading was a whopping 1.082. Was this a recipe style for an imperial stout or barleywine? If so you should have had plenty of visual evidence of fermentation for a beer with an ABV like that.
     
  9. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Blow off / bubbles doesn't mean no krausen - was there any ring of gunk inside the bottle?

    boil also doesn't have anything to do with krausen.
    It won't hurt anything, but it may or may not help. At this point, you've fermented down - whether or not you're at final gravity, we don't know yet - if you test again in a few days, and it's at the same 1.022, then it's done fermenting, but not necessarily all yeast action is done/
    @JackHorzempa Cheers buddy![/QUOTE]

    Unless you're planning on aging for a long time, with fruit, wood or souring, don't bother secondary, especially for a 1-gal batch. Unless you plan to leave it be for 6-months or a year, you don't have to worry about autolyzation. We at homebrew scale, autolyzation is not something that really affects most of us. In the case of pros, if you have hundreds of gallons of beer pushing down on the yeast cake, that's where it starts to be a worry, and that's also with a lot of time.
     
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  10. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    @Mothergoose03 163oz is what ended up in my carboys (2 of 'em), so post boil. And style was indeed for an imperial stout. I feel you about visual evidence, I do 1.050 and 1.060 beers that need blow off tubes.

    @JrGtr haven't got to bottling, I figured that was a ways off. Still, no gunk. Yeah, I know boil and krausen are unrelated but I wanted to make sure I provided enough info for follow up questions. Lastly, gotcha about autolysis, and, out of curiosity, are you also of the mind this should sit in a carboy for 5-6 months?
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    i bottle bigger beers than that at week three. There is this mindset that these beers somehow need bulk aging, and I am not sure I agree.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I do the same. In another month or so I will be brewing another batch of Quad and I will bottle that batch (again) at three weeks.
    I do not view bulk aging as a requirement. As far as I am concerned aging if aging whether that be in a bulk secondary vessel or the secondary containers know as bottles.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    No, unless you are planning on wood, etc aging, there's no reason to sit in the carboy past fermentation. A few weeks in fermenter is plenty for 99.9% of beer - I personally give mine 3 weeks from brew till bottle. Never had an off batch or bottle bomb that I could relate to fermentation practices.

    As far as the issue, since the gravity has dropped, you definitely have fermentation going on. Whether it's done at this point is another story. I didn't notice if you mentioned, but I would say to give it another week or so before testing again. You're barely a week out of brew, but things seem to be moving along. Be patient, don't rush anything along.
     
  14. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    April 29th: Gravity of 1.010. Got that a few times in the past week.

    However... did I pull off the airlock too many times? Infection?
    [​IMG]
     
  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Looks like yeast to me. How's it smell and taste?
     
  16. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    1082 to 1022 in five days sounds like the yeast pooped. Vomited. Pissed. Had sex. Ate the various, and plentiful sugars you gave them with 1082 of it to feast on. And while you weren't seeing that. Beer happened.
    I'd be more inclined to worry if it were several points higher at this point.
    Ignore it. They might not always give you a krausen, or much to look at in the bubbler. Especially with big bruiser beers. That doesn't mean they are slacking off.
     
  17. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    Sweet, alcoholic. I didn't taste and I kinda don't want to pop off the airlock again until I bottle.
     
  18. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Your yeast didn't get lazy after getting through the simple chained sugars. If they had. It would've been in the 1030s.
    If you want to really know what your yeast are up to. Get a flashlight. The brighter. The better. Shine it directly into the carboys side. Habituate your eyes to the liquid edge, and watch.
     
  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Doesn't sound like infection. Carb it up!
     
  20. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    It's yeast, and it's done. Time to bottle.
     
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