Will Bourbon Barrels Ever Be Rivaled?

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  1. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Tonight, I indulge in a Sunday Morning Stout, paired "thoughtfully" with rice cakes and peanut butter (surprisingly enough, the combination brings out Tuscan/Piedmont Italian red wine characteristics in the beer with it's dark fruit and earthy roast and.... I digress).

    I was shooting the beer shit with a coworker today, who is an avid cellarer (?) and loves big beers, and, needless to say, adores barrel aged ones. As many of us should.

    He's in the process of filing down his cellar to, ideally, nothing. Along the daunting path that is (attempting) to clear a cellar of big beers, he became nonplussed of Bourbon Barrel brews.

    "Will Bourbon barrels ever phase out?" He asked me. Both of us knowing the great pleasures of enjoying Scotch, Tequila, rum, red wine, white wine, all those gorgeous barrels that quite rarely meet our lips via beer.

    Considering the easy access to bourbon barrels specifically, among all other barrels of spirits and wines, it must be the simplest and cheapest to get. Not only that, but it does help that it can effortlessly stand up to the flavors of a big ale.

    But, as all earthy things shall pass, will it ever become "old news"? We have to be on a cusp at some point in the future. Maybe within the next 10-20 years, more untraditional, expensive, foreign barrels will be acquired from various distillers and vintners overseas and domestically.

    It could be possible, at some point, for the BBA fever to tread on the path of William Blake's words: "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom". (In my interpretation, "wisdom" is broadening our barrel styles, breweries taking risks and paying more for unique barrels with more distinct qualities).

    Or, the excess of bourbon barrel ales will simply exponentiate upon itself, since after all, there is no such thing as "too much of a good thing".

    How do you foresee the barrel-aging horoscope for the next decade or more?
     
  2. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    No. I only see more barrel aging. Pretty soon BA pils will be a thing.
     
  3. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I specifically mean BOURBON barrel aging. It is less common to see tequila, scotch, cognac, rum, wine, etc. barrels being used on larger and smaller scales.
     
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  4. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I don't think bourbon barrel aged beers will ever "go away", per se. Like the controversial New England IPA, the hype is too real, the beers themselves are often stellar; they are never going away. Bourbon barrel beers are here to stay, I think, and I'm okay with that.
    However, I would like to see more types of barrels used, for sure. There should be more rum barrel aged stouts. More red or white wine barrel aged saisons and sours would be amazing. Hell, for that matter, I would like to see more beers aged in plain white oak barrels. I love the coconut/vanilla flavors from oak. Even IPAs can benefit from this. 21st Amendment's Hop Crisis DIPA tastes great aged on oak spirals.
    So, yes, keep on with bourbon barrels, but more types of barrels, by all means.
     
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  5. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 California

    Other spirit and wine barrels have slowly caught on, but American whiskey in charred oak seems to bring out flavors that many people prefer in a spirit or a beverage aged in a "second use" barrel. Even many Anejo tequilas are aged in Bourbon barrels to increase depth of flavor and overall complexity.

    Bourbon is a quintessential American beverage, so to answer your question...it's not going anywhere.

    However, with that said, I think the trajectory will shift slightly from Bourbon barrel-aged beers to "Oaked" beers. Specifically, oak that isn't as heavily toasted for spirits, yet still offers flavors that play well in beers that aren't a RIS. Think Oaked Arrogant Bastard or Firestone DBA. Many beers are fair game for an oak treatment from IPA's to craft malt liquor.

    That's just my guess anyway.
     
  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    My answer is still the same. BOURBON barrels are the most common and readily available. Plus, BOURBON barrels can only be used once so they either get shipped/sold to breweries or Scotland for scotch.

    Breweries will just find new ways to provide variantion with adjuncts and changing the base beer as opposed to changing the barrels.

    I still say BOURBON aged pils is the next big thing.
     
  7. Maestro0708

    Maestro0708 Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2015 Kentucky

    I feel the same way. I love Bourbon barrel aged beers, and don't think they're going anywhere, but I'd love to see different barrels used more. For example, I love gin and I know there are gin barrel aged beers out there. I've not come across any yet but I'm excited to try them and see what gin barrels bring to the table.

    I've also been impressed with wine barrel aged beers I've had so I can only hope there's more where that came from.

    Cheers
     
  8. Sir_Whats-his-face

    Sir_Whats-his-face Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2015 Oregon

    There's a brewery out here that already did that. I'm afraid to try it.
     
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  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    My cellar is pretty heavy with Bourbon Barrel Aged stouts, probably 80%. Bourbon barrels would be a terrible thing to waste, so they will continue to find uses for beer, for syrup, etc. Love me some Rum BA stouts though - much better than Bourbon. If I could get my hands on a quantity of Rum BA stouts at a decent price, I may not even bother with Bourbon. Prairie Pirate Bomb and Rum BA Fidy are two prime examples, but too hard to get around here, and too expensive for daily drinkers. Haven't tried Rum BA Fidy yet, but could it not be excellent given Bourbon BA Fidy which I like.
     
  10. Dil_thebeerdrinking_do

    Dil_thebeerdrinking_do Savant (1,192) Jan 21, 2014 Georgia
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    My personal opinion on the matter is that Bourbon barrels are so common and others are not is the palates of folks. They were early entries into the market so the consumers grew a taste and craving for these beers. Demand up so supply up. I also know the other barrels some use can be mighty fickle and difficult to use. The flavor profile of the base with other barrels often clash creating a mess of a beer. It is difficult to see a good Red wine BA beer or a Tequila BA beer (mainly speaking on stouts). I wish more would be produced but I just seems more difficult to do for brewers.. That is just my opinion, could be totally off.
     
  11. Nickwierda

    Nickwierda Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2015 New Jersey

    This. Bourbon barrels, by law, can only be used once to age *bourbon* so producers are always trying to unload them- makes them super plentiful and cheap. Plus the flavor profile - vanilla and oak primarily - melds well with the chocolate and coffee flavors found in stout.

    I would love to see more stouts and strong ales aged in rum, scotch, sherry(!!!), or even red wine barrels, but for brewers, bourbon barrels are so much easier to find and acquire, especially in large quantities. Hell, even scotch distilleries are having trouble finding good sherry barrels these days. Bourbon is insanely popular right now, and there's a glut of "old" first use barrels that distilleries are begging for someone to take off their hands. Until that changes, the vast majority of BA beers will be aged in bourbon barrels.
     
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  12. Fox82791

    Fox82791 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2014 New York

    They will definitely never go away, but given how many breweries that are using them now there will have to be a point where demand is higher that supply. Breweries will have to find other types of barrels to use, hopefully spirits like brandy and port are used more often.
     
  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Saisons aged in Red Wine barrels are darned good. Imperial Stout, not so much.
     
  14. jimmypa

    jimmypa Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Bourbon Barrels will most likely reign supreme for darker bigger beers for the foreseeable future in my opinion. Wine barrels are already being used heavily for saisons/sours.
     
  15. Wasatch

    Wasatch Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,050) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    BBA brews are here to stay, that's the way I see it.

    Cheers!
     
  16. Dil_thebeerdrinking_do

    Dil_thebeerdrinking_do Savant (1,192) Jan 21, 2014 Georgia
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    Red Wine Cake and Red Wine Narwhal are both fire....if done well its one of my favorite beer styles.. Like I said, just fewer ppl do it because it can be bad.
     
  17. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    I think bourbon and whiskey in general has always been the more popular liquor before, during, and after prohibition. However, I can appreciate the other barrels mentioned here just as much if not more. I think bourbon barrels are so popular among brewers because it's such a tried and true method.
     
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