Brewing With Tea

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  1. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    The good: my wife has totally gotten into the possibilities homebrewing offers.
    The challenge: she's asked me to make a Constant Comment brew.

    I was going to use a one-gallon extract wheat ale receipe, seems best to compliment the flavors of Constant Comment, which are "Sweet spices and orange rind." There's a few years-old threads here and elsewhere on brewing with tea, and it seems that throwing the tea in with a couple minutes left in the boil, or shortly thereafter would work.

    Since it's only a gallon batch, I was going to bust open four bags and toss the leaves in. I'm going on the theory that each bag usually makes 8 oz tea, so if i put in enough for half a gallon's worth, it won't be overpowering, but instead will compliment the wheat.

    So, has anyone brewed with tea recently? Am I on the right track? I'd like to avoid a secondary. Also, if I toss them at the end of boil and left them to steep, should I leave them in for fermentation or fish them out before putting them in the fermenter?
     
  2. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I've never brewed with tea, but when I've brewed with coffee, I've used far less than the proportion you've proposed (that is, far less than the amount of coffee beans I would use to brew 1/2 the volume of beer). So my advice would be to use less tea than you are proposing.

    Also, have you considered a wit beer? It seems as though it would work well with this tea.

    [Edited to add: This post from the Mad Fermentationist blog may be of interest to you.]
     
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  3. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    I had, because I prefer them to a wheat ale myself. I also considered a golden or blonde ale, too. I ended up on wheat because I found a gallon extract kit for the wheat and haven't been able to find a small one for the others.
     
  4. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    I have brewed one beer with tea a while ago, but it didn't end up with much to show for it. I would be hesitant to open bags / leave the tea in the wort - you're asking for astringency issues there. I would definitely be keeping them bagged and taking them out prior to fermentation.
     
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  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Why not use a tincture? I have a butt load of hibiscus flower, and intend to use a tincture in a saison. Good luck and keep us posted!
     
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  6. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    That raises a few other questions. How much should I make and how long should I let it sit? I've seen suggestions for 8 oz of vodka and letting it sit for a few weeks. If I can simply add tea while brewing I'd rather not wait. Unless making a tincture takes less time than that...
     
  7. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    A few years ago I put a few green tea bags into a 5 gallon corny of pale ale for 2 days. It was awesome I would recommend using it in the finished product. You could drop a tea bag into primary a few days before bottling/kegging
     
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  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I would use maybe two bags of tea, 4oz of vodka, and let it sit for a weak. You can get a bottle of commercial beer, and figure out your dosing from there.
     
  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I've brewed with tea before. My primary comment is to use much less than you think you should use. For one gallon, I think one single packet would give you enough flavor for what you are looking for. A hint of flavor is better than a bomb of disgusting crap. I would add the teabag near the end of fermentation. Soak it full of vodka (to saturate and sanitize), then throw it into the fermenter. Then wait a few days, then bottle or keg. Pretty easy actually. But don't use too much.
     
  10. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I would have to agree with dmtaylor – better to use less and have subtle flavors than to have it completely overpower your beer.

    I've never brewed with tea, but FWIW, I recently added 1/4 oz of dried sage to 5.5 gallons of berliner weisse with 2 min left in the boil. It is a light, dry beer and the sage is definitely present, but not overwhelming.
     
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  11. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

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    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    This is a good way to go because you can pull them out when you get the flavor you want. I did this with cucumber, which also only took a couple days to get where it needed.
     
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  13. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    Thanks for all the input. I think I'm going to try adding a bag to the fermenter, and also experiment with making a tincture for future use. Never done one before, and since I'll be picking up vodka anyway. I'll update when it's ready!
     
  14. SportsandJorts

    SportsandJorts Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2012 Virginia

    I have brewed with tea three times in the past couple of years. All the same recipe, a witbier with earl grey tea. The only real change I made between batches is the type of tea and the yeast used.

    I used one box (~18-20 tea bags) per 5 gallon batch. I threw the whole bags in at flame out and left them in while chilling and strained them out while I transferred to the fermentor. I figured that most similarly replicated the process of steeping a cup of tea. That amount was a guess initially and I thought about adding more after fermentation but never ended up doing that.

    I was very pleased with the taste and strength as was everyone I shared it with (one batch was served at my friends wedding, with 3 other of my homebrews, and he got more compliments on the beer than anything else.)

    Personally I think Constant Comet would go better with a stout than anything else, but as always brew to your own (or wife's) tastes.
     
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  15. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    This is a story all about how my brew got flipped turned upside down.

    So, here's what happened:
    After reaching FG, I let a tea bag soak in vodka, then popped in the bucket. I figured I'd go this method while buying some beer from the store to experiment with a tincture for later batches. After two days, my wife and I sampled it and there wasn't any change in flavor (although the ale did taste great, I should habe just left it alone). I put in a second bag and waited another few days. Sampled, same thing.

    Here's where it went off the rails.

    I decided to place another two bags in the bucket (so, four total). As I was putting them in, one of the bags burst open. Now there's tea floating everywhere. I gave it another few days in hopes it would settle out (it did) before bottling.

    I ended up with seven bottles. The first three were okay. Nice wheat ale, some of the tea came through but there's a slightly astringent finish I'm not liking. Bottle four had a ton of tea floaties, so not all of it got left behind in the bucket.

    TL; DR: Next time I'm either planning well ahead and doing a tincture or I'm just going to figure out how to get the flavor from spices and orange rinds than use the tea.
     
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  16. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Several brewers have made Earl Grey beers. Maybe reach out to them on best practices for a flavored tea beer? I tasted the very alpha-tested version of Ardent's years ago, and it was basically tea bags at flameout.
     
  17. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    That's a good idea.

    I would definitely not put the tea in the boil, at least the first time you try. I'm assuming that, like hops, tea flavor depends on oils. Oils will likely scrub out during fermentation.

    You are in uncharted territory, good sir! Personally, that's my favorite kinda territory to be in. Good luck! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:
     
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  18. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I've made a bunch of tea beers with all different types of tea. Best way to add it is with your priming sugar, IMO. Steep the tea first, then add your priming sugar to the hot water once you pull out the tea. As many have said, depending on the type of tea that you use, a little may go a long way. Adding the tea to your boil or steeping it in hot wort will not allow for maximum extraction or flavor and adding tea to your fermenter really won't allow you to play with dosage very well, as, again, extraction will be variable and the process could become quite cumbersome.
     
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  19. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    for the record not a scientist here but the teabags I steeped in the keg for a few days were green tea and didn't contaminate the beer. I would think that a tincture would extract more unwanted flavors from tea. Any more science minded people know if there's a difference between cold extraction and vodka extraction?
     
  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Indeed there is, as solubility in etoh and solubility in water differ.

    That said, steeping teabags in beer is different than steeping them in water, as you will get different extraction in a solution like beer that has multiple components, like alcohol and sugar, than you will in water. That's why you steep your tea BEFORE you add the sugar to it.
     
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