Rochefort endangered

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Belgiumt, Jun 7, 2017.

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  1. Belgiumt

    Belgiumt Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2011 Belgium

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  2. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    Well that stinks... It's tough because the political side of me says, well if they don't want them doing pump tests there they should buy up the land and protect it. The beer drinker in me is saying NOOOOOOOOO!
     
  3. jmasher85

    jmasher85 Savant (1,169) Mar 27, 2015 Maryland

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  4. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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  5. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    My political take is, you can do what you want with your own property up until the point it harms your neighbors. If pollution is leaving your property and effing with other people's lives and livelihoods, that's crossing a line. Especially if it's messing with the quality of my beer. :wink:
     
  6. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for the link. I read that through with Google Translate. I think got most of the important points and I have a some background in these types of issues. Groundwater is a public resource with plenty of history of protection and the monks are right to voice their concern. If you say nothing, it's a lot harder to complain later, possibly after the damage is done. If the monks are getting their water from a limestone-based aquifer (based on presence of limestone quarry), limestone can be notorious for contamination and maintaining quality. However, they are objecting to even initial tests to determine if more quarry pumping could influence their groundwater source. Good real world data is critical to establish policies to protect groundwater resources without undue economic harm. If you don't even allow collection of data then any claim for or against is on shaky ground.*

    I also think it's interesting that the limestone quarry owner claims they employ 480 people and is more economically important than the monks beer, which sounds like some typical fuzzy math companies use to inflate their economic importance. Granted I know nothing about this quarry's specific operations, but limestone isn't rare or particularly labor intensive to mine. There are many quarries in the area I live, some quite large, and I am fairly certain none of them employ nearly that many people. The Rochefort monks could probably easily counter this economic argument with their own estimates, with some added value factor for the world-wide fame of their beer that I doubt can be claimed for limestone. :rolling_eyes:


    *- Scientifically, at least. A viable strategy in similar situations is to appeal to public opinion/emotions and then science pretty much goes out the window or can be cherry-picked. Being a viable strategy does not make it right though.
     
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  7. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Limestone can be quarried anywhere there is limestone, Rochefort is unique and in worldwide demand. So which of these businesses has the best chance for long range viability.
     
  8. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Just to play devil's advocate, there are different grades of limestone for many construction, industrial, and agricultural applications, and the chemical properties of this mine's limestone could be uniquely valuable. I don't know. ...but Rochefort is unique in it's own way too.

    In my opinion, it would be better to gather the data to see if they can both operate safely, before choosing whose operations should limit the other.
     
  9. Wasatch

    Wasatch Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,050) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    It would be a big lost. I have not seen Rochefort in GJ.

    Cheers!
     
  10. bostonvert

    bostonvert Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2017 Belgium

    The beer draws thousands to the area every year and is great for the local economy, a lot more then just a quarry and I've been to quite a few quarries in Belgium and I find it hard to image one employing 400 people....
     
  11. cmiller4642

    cmiller4642 Maven (1,399) Aug 17, 2013 West Virginia

    That sucks, I always get Rochefort 10 around the holidays and other special times for a treat. It's always been one of my go to beers, and was one of the first non BMC beers that really just blew my balls away.
     
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    :grimacing: Damn. I guess it makes it easier for the Abbey to get new recruits to join the Monks and take the vow of chastity, but, still...
     
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  13. kool-aid

    kool-aid Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2017 Vermont

    NOT COOL BRO
     
  14. drh88

    drh88 Pundit (810) Dec 21, 2005 Pennsylvania

    I hope that the Belgians would consider Rochefort to be a national treasure. I mean they've been brewing beer since the 16th century for God's sake. I would expect a strong public outcry for anything that could possibly bring harm to this valuable institution.
     
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  15. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Good point about visitors to the area because of Rochefort. Perhaps the local authorities should do an accounting survey of that economic impact prior to issuing drilling permits.
     
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  16. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Wonder if the brewery is tax exempt where the quarry would provide tax revenue?
     
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  17. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Wonder how much beer those 400 employees drink.
     
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