Hefeweizen without decoction mashing

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  1. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Hi guys I want to do a hefeweizen with the following grain bill. I do not want to get into the arduous activity of decoction mashing. Any idea If I can just add some melanoiden malt to up the maltiness? If I just skip all of it and use this base recipe as a single infusion mash will I be okay?
    * proper amount of yeast not shown on BeerSmith [​IMG]
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes.

    ETA: Yes, you could add some melanoidin malt. I probably wouldn't, or at least I never have in a hefe IIRC.
     
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  3. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ok so skip all the other mumbo jumbo? Will I get that great hefe taste i amlooking to crush in three weeks?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would.

    That depends on a lot of factors, but if the quality of your ingredients and process are up to snuff, you have a chance for greatness.
     
  5. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Wonderful thank you for your help. I'm gonna do no sparge so hopefully that's okay.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No sparge might actually improve the maltiness, though some would argue against that. I see your recipe says BIAB. If it didn't, I'd recommend some rice hulls for insurance against a stuck lauter. (Wheat malt is huskless.) I don't really know it that's a concern with BIAB, i.e. is BIAB prone to gummy, wort retaining pockets? If it were, I suppose they could be squeezed out.
     
  7. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I did a Partial Mash BIAB style hefe and did not use melanoidin malt or do anything beyond mash the grains for 60 minutes. If the end it was a solid Hefe and the people that sampled it requested 6 packs saying that thought it was a great hefe.
     
  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I use biab for beer smith because it's considered a full infusion no sparge although I do use a two vessel system. Helps me calculate strike temps and water quantity.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Ah. In that case, I would recommend rice hulls, unless you have previously done batches with 55-ish% wheat malt with no lautering issues.
     
  10. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Hefeweizen is one of my most brewed beer styles over the years, so I have some firm opinions. One of them is that you need to do a step mash or decoction mash to make a great hefe. At there best, my single infusion hefes are very good.

    I have never been happy with single infusion hefes that only have pilsner malt and wheat malt. The color and body are just not there when compared to commercial examples (ie they come out too light and too thin). I've tried various remedies, light colored crystal malts, munich malt, vienna malt, melanoidin malt. My favorite of these is melanoidin. I would use 1/4 pound for a 5 gallon batch.

    Also don't listen to the people who tell you to ferment at 70 or higher. Mid to upper-mid 60s is fine.
     
  11. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    @scottakelly What step mashes do you like best for a hefeweizen?
     
  12. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    There is an article in Zymurgy (Vol 33 No 3) called "Brewing Wheat Beer with Intensive Banana Aroma". It calls for a decoction mash and a very thin mash. I modify this to a step mash and a thin mash but not as crazily so (because I don't have the capacity and the decoction is a pia).

    The steps are ( in celcius) at 30 for 30 minutes, 40 for 30 minutes, 72 for 30 minutes, and mash out at 78.

    If you can't access the article and are interested in more details, let me know.
     
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  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    As simple as going 1/2 pd for ten gallon?

    I planned on setting my ferm chamber at 65.
     
  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    thanks I'm gonna use a ton. I use them every batch to just imporove efficiency and improve the speed I can lauter
     
  15. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    1/2 lb for 10 gallon should work great. If you want to keep the same OG just decrease the pilsner malt in proportion.
     
  16. jeebeel

    jeebeel Zealot (667) Jun 17, 2003 Texas

    OP, you received lots of good advice in this thread, especially this. I ferment my hefeweizens with WL Hefeweizen IV at 62 degrees. They turn out great every time, with plenty of character and a nice balance of esters.
     
  17. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    ya I want some banana but not overpowering
     
  18. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Sorry gonna bump for one quick question. How long after I hit FG should I wait to keg. I heard hefes are a quick grain to glass.
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Taste it when attenuation is finished. If it tastes good, you can package. Hefes can go grain to glass pretty quickly in my experience.
     
  20. jeebeel

    jeebeel Zealot (667) Jun 17, 2003 Texas

    Same here. My typical schedule is a 2-week primary, keg, carbonate, and enjoy.
     
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