WTF is an NEIPA?

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  1. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    Seriously what is a new england ipa? I live in new england. Seems like many things that don't taste similar to me get that label. Also seems like the worst representations of the "style" or what people seek out have new england ipa printed on the can. Is it some sort of blanket term for anything not a west coast ipa that's saturated the ipa market for ages up until recently? Is it anything with a neutral yeast thats not piney? Preferably with haze(usually clumps)?
     
  2. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Seems to be necessary to include a decent percentage of oats and/or wheat to encourage a mouth feel. Haze, and it includes nearly entirely late hop additions that are more juice fruity than resin pine. It might be part of the zero IBU trend that some brewers are making a point about.
    The yeast notes seem to also be more British than American. But, not always. There's also some treatment of the water.
     
  3. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    I've never had an NEIPA with clumps. NEIPAs are, almost by definition, hazy and loaded with citrus flavors from hops with low apparent bitterness relative to WCIPAs.
     
  4. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    Then what do you call bissel brothers reciprocal? Substance is rather bitter too. Tree house and trillum put out some rather bitter brews as well. Foley brothers definitely put out some beers that are rather bitter.

    It almost seems like the slightest hint of juice from a neutral yeast and a lot of dry hopping = neipa.

    I find it hard to believe that you've never seen an ipa with floaters. Most foley brothers brews have them. Most single-cut brews (most also rather bitter). Even alchemist can have that. I've only been to trillum once and most of the beers that I bought had floaters as well. In fact for the most part haze without the floaters seems rare to me and I live in New England. Most places don't pull that off reliably. Not the end of the world.

    Hell Lunch and Be Hoppy are marketed as west coast ipas. Aside from the lack of haze how aren't they a neipa. Or what most people consider a neipa as far as flavor goes?
     
  5. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    I'm in Texas, the only reason I've had Tree House and Trillium beer is because I know a craft beer bar owner who has serious connections, a large enough house that he can convert a room to house beer trading whales, and a very generous spirit.

    You're right, not all NEIPAs are juice bombs. One that comes to mind, that I didn't particularly care for, was the very aptly named Haze.
     
  6. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    I find haze rather juicy. In fact aside from Julius and juice machine I can't think of a tree house brew that's less of a juice bomb.

    It just bothers me that I see so many different IPAs lumped into the same boat.

    I constantly see the "I hope that fad dies off posts". When personally I find most alpine, fw, alesmith, sculptin brews to be far more similar to each other.
     
  7. Jaycase

    Jaycase Grand Pooh-Bah (3,858) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    OP, you must have been MIA on BA for some time as seemingly every third thread has been about "who produces NE IPAs in region X or city Y?", "will work for hazy juice bombs", etc. IMO NE IPAs are nothing more than a brewery's attempt at making their version of a Tree House IPA. I give all the credit in the world to Tree House. They are responsible for this trend. Anecdotally, labeling an IPA as a NE IPA certainly seems to spike sales as consumers are clamoring for their own local Tree House ("Have you had beer abc from brewery xyz down the street? Juice bomb. Might not be as good as Julius but it's right there with Haze so no need to trade for Tree House anymore."). Keywords seem to include among others "hazy, juice bomb", "pillowy mouthfeel", "straight up juice", "hazy AF". I'd agree in that there seems to be a good amount of variation in beers which are labeled or described as NE IPA but as long as the beer is turbid it seems to pass muster with most people.
     
  8. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    It's generally characterized by a turpid, orange appearance. Prevalent sweet citrus / tropical fruit. Low levels of bitterness. Soft mouthfeel.
     
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  9. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    I feel like the low levels of bitterness isn't true at all. Many og "neipa" brews don't meet that criteria. Seems like a misnomer perpetuated by a lot of the generic brews trying to cash in like two juicy.

    Even Julius the poster boy is solidly bitter for a 6.7% abv ipa. It's a really well rounded brew and the reason why it's popular. Green, alter ego and doppelganger are plenty bitter. Many trillium brews are. Single-cut and bissel? Definitely. Crusher? For sure. Most Foley brothers brews that I've had.....
     
  10. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    I think we have different definitions of bitterness. When I say bitter, I mean really bitter tongue scrapers like Sculpin.
     
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  11. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    In my mind it's a hazy juicy IPA that is not bitter at all. Not a style I like. Tough to drink a full pint for me. I will be very close to treehouse in a few weeks and was not going to go but this thread has me thinking maybe I should try these beers as it looks like they do make some bitter IPA.

    Enjoy
     
  12. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    Respectfully disagree....I'll stick with my original definition.

    I'm a fairly proficient homebrewer, but I'm sure someone better than me (or a professional) will chime in about how bursting / dry hopping contributes to the characteristic flavoring without bitterness for this style. Of course, this is just one of the differentiating components, but a key one related to your comment
     
  13. doktorhops

    doktorhops Pooh-Bah (2,065) Jan 12, 2011 Australia
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    Personally I've been calling them East Coast IPAs for years as I would include Victory DirtWolf and a few NY brews in this style, but it seems the consensus is New England IPA.

    My basic understanding of the style is something different to the classic West Coast IPA which are: bitter/piney hops, mostly filtered, no adjuncts like oats/wheat, hop oils in the mouthfeel, medium to high bitterness in the finish, whereas a NEIPA has: More tropical/juice driven hops, non-filtered, cloudy AF, adjuncts like wheat/oats, heavier body, low to medium bitterness.

    This is why I think East Coast works better than New England as a descriptor as it's more of a Yin/Yang thing (West Coast/East Coast).

    In any case I definitely prefer East Coast/NEIPAs as the flavours suit me better and I still can't handle too much bitterness. That said I've had some brilliant WCIPAs over the years, and my opinion is entirely subjective. Cheers!
     
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  14. doktorhops

    doktorhops Pooh-Bah (2,065) Jan 12, 2011 Australia
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    Huh, I thought Heady Topper was the one that started the trend... but then I've not tried Tree House or Heady, so really I have no idea what either tastes like, just noticed the Heady hype train 4-5 years ago from afar and dreamt about trying that sweet sweet nectar.
     
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  15. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    Single-cut Billy full stack is apparently 137 ibu. Foley brothers prospect is 90 ibu.

    Sculptin is apparently 70 ibu?

    Bissel brothers reciprocal is apparently 80 ibu and without being too piney tastes more bitter than sculptin. Just had a curiosity 38. Very bitter as well. Just different than what some people may be used to.

    Dank and piney /= bitterness imo

    Tree house also doesn't double dry hop their whales like very hazy. Plenty of extra hops go into the boil.

    Personally I don't think that an ipa needs to be piney to be good.
     
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  16. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    You're right. The two brewreys get lumped together but very put out very different beer imo. That said I haven't had focal banger.

    Again heady, 100 ibu. Crusher is even more, very dank though.

    Just because something isn't overly piney doesn't make it not bitter. I understand people having preferences and expectations in an ipa. Just don't expect everyone to have the same preferences and chalk it up to a fad. Not every West coast ipa is great either. Why would everyone brew one when the package stores are still flooded with West coast IPAs?
     
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  17. doktorhops

    doktorhops Pooh-Bah (2,065) Jan 12, 2011 Australia
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    Yeah I'm quite over how many West Coast IPAs there are now, to the point that whenever I review another of that style I always lament the fact that no one has the balls to do anything unique these days.

    I guess the novelty of NEIPAs is yet to wear off for me (Aussie brewers have only just begun to dabble in this style).
     
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  18. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    The funny part about this whole thing is that the original "hazy" New England IPA creators that are responsible for this trend, Alchemist, Hill Farmstead, Treehouse, simply make incredibly well balanced hoppy beer that just happens to be hazy. Most newcomers are doing the whole zero-bitterness-make-it-taste-like-pinneapple-juice-with-the-help-of-very-low-flocculant-high-ester-producing-yeast thing, which isn't really what the original guys' beer taste like.

    The original North East hazy 16oz can OG... Heady Topper... it's bitter AF. But it's delicious.
     
  19. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I agree that many breweries, especially around me, who deliberately put "New England style" or "hazy IPA" on their packaging actually butcher the beer and it ends up tasting quite messy.

    Evil Twin tweeted something recently that really made me smile. Not verbatim, but something along the lines of "you don't need to say your IPA is hazy all the time. We already get it. Just call it an IPA"
     
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  20. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Some good info for NEIPA newbies in the attached recent BYO article on the style. Cheers BA
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