My NE IPA is too bitter.

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  1. Havalina

    Havalina Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2017 Denmark

    Newer brewer here with a Grandfather and a fermentation fridge.


    Im trying to nail the NE IPA game.. but they end up too bitter for my taste… last one consisted of Citra, Nelson and Mosaic.


    50% of the hops was added during "flame off" in a whirlpool.. the hops had 30minutes contact with the wort before cooling(took about 20-30 minutes).


    The last 50% of the hops was added 4 days prior to bottling.


    I did not use hop socks and because i was in a bit of a hurry i didn’t have time to cold crash so that the hops settled in the bottom of the fermenter bucket.


    I siphoned the beer (below the hops on top) into my bottling bucked and bottled from there.


    The beer tasted good, but i think the bitterness is killing some of the finer tropical notes.

    I tried a DIPA from Trillium today and it was not as bitter as my beer. (my beer was not a DIPA though and ran in at 5.6% ABV)



    Am i doing something wrong or can i tweak something? :slight_smile:



    Any tips is appreciated.
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Some aroma hops can have fairly high AA (IBUs)...try cooling the wort down to < 170*F before adding the bulk of your hops...or wait and see if the bitterness fades a little.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Tell us your recipe, especially timing of hop additions. Are you using a recipe calculator that predicts IBUs? To my palate, I taste little bitterness in late addition and whirlpool hops, so if it were my recipe, I would focus on reducing ibus on 60 min addition hops. Your mileage may vary.

    You said you didn't use hop bags. Hop bags are known to cut back on measured IBUs. Presumably they reduce the amount of hop particulate in your beer too. Going with that presumption, I think it is plausible that hop particles might add some bitterness. With time, these particles may settle. Similarly, iso-alpha acid bitterness may fade with time. Unfortunately, NE IPAs are typically consumed young to capitalize on aromatics, so allowing time for bitterness to fade may be counter-productive to the aroma you seek.
     
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  4. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Those are all high alpha acid hops, and the exposure time at near boiling conditions was the culprit.
     
  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I bet he used like six oz too.
     
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  6. Havalina

    Havalina Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2017 Denmark

    Great input you all!

    Thank you :-)

    I used around 5oz at flameout(still High temperature)

    No hops during boil.

    So i guess i need to cool the wort a bit before adding whirlpool hops?
     
  7. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Could it be water? I've brewed beers that were too bitter before getting my chloride sulfate ratio balanced out. I think too much magnesium can make it bitter too...
     
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  8. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Yep, more time exposing hops to boiling wort lends to more bitterness.use low ibu hops for boiling/bittering then add hops as recommended. Personally, I get all the aroma I want with dry hopping.
     
  9. Havalina

    Havalina Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2017 Denmark

    Right now im only adding a tiny bit of lactic acid to soften the water a bit(the water in Denmark is clean but quite hard)...
    Was considering trying to do a batch with bottled spring water only.. but i dont know if that even makes sense :slight_smile:
     
  10. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Yeah, it could be your water. Water profile seems to be pretty important for this style. I would use distilled or RO water and build your profile. You need to have your Cl levels up to about 125, and SO4 to be in the 50-75 range. Have you looked at the Averagely Perfect NE IPA in the recipes folder? That is a solid recipe.
     
  11. Havalina

    Havalina Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2017 Denmark

    Thanks for pointing me to the "Averagely Perfect NE IPA" recipe :slight_smile:

    It has quite some things for me to try.

    15 minutes whirlpool at around 75 (celcius)
    Leaving out Mosaic in the whirlpool

    Adding hops during fermentation AND as a dry hop :slight_smile:


    .... However could hops added too early give an "off flavour? I have heard that the hops shouldn't have more than 5 days of contact with the beer.
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I think they meant 2 different additions (remove fermentation hops when adding 2nd dry hop)
     
  13. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Could it be a bitter astringency from residual hop debris on the palate?

    Non-cold-crashed beer 4 days after dry hop will have a lot of hop particulate in suspension. On the palate this can come off rather bitter and harsh.

    I would say to try two things next time. Hop stand at a cooler temperature and cold condition before bottling.

    Cheers
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    You guys are all high. A 30 min hopstand above 180 and another 20-30 minutes of chilling and you guys are lamenting about water chemistry? With five oz of high aa hops? Serious?
     
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  15. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    liking chavinparty's advice to look at your water...having dealt with hard water for years trying to brew a Weihenstephaner clone and never figuring out why the beers aways turned out so incredibly bitter...despite adding almost no bittering hops, the only reasonable explanation was the very hard water. Using a good water calculator like MpH found on here on BA can help with that. I use like 1-2 tsp 85% phosphoric acid per 5 gallons brewing water for beers like IPAs to help get my alkalinity & pH down. I understand that a lot of flameout hops are going to provide bitterness, but don't find it the same as the sharp, chalky flavors that highly alkaline water (with lower much calcium than burton water) provides.
     
  16. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Yup...seriously
     
  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    :grimacing::flushed:
     
  18. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Doing a rough calc (someone correct me if wrong)...

    2.5oz of those hops split evenly in 5 Gal of ~1.060 wort, and a hopback/whirlpool with 10% efficiency, gives an estimated 45 IBU...


    It's going to taste bitter
     
  19. jcmmvp

    jcmmvp Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2017 Sweden

    Are you sure you are not confusing the bitterness with some kind of hopburn?
     
  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    He used 5 oz at FO, double those numbers.
     
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