Old beer in bottle shops...

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Javaslinger, Jul 26, 2017.

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  1. Javaslinger

    Javaslinger Initiate (0) May 1, 2017 Virginia

    Truthfully I never paid a lick of attention before I began homebrewing. Now I check the date stamp on every craft beer I pick up - and sadly they're all old. At least 3 months to 6 months or longer.. Many are past their sell by date - for example Stones Enjoy By...

    I'm wondering though.. I never cared before. I was never even aware that many beers lose a great deal of there flavor and their aroma within 3 months time. Now, suddenly I'm a little pissed that none the beer I have access to it 'fresh'...

    Should I care?
     
  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    You should care. If you're in a shop and you find a beer past it's best-by date take it to the counter and ask for a discount because it's old. They might make you a good offer, or they might not, but at least they'll know that they've got old beer and that at least some of their customers won't buy it anymore. And then find a store that turns its beer over more quickly.

    As for beers that are 3 to 6 months old, that depends on the beer. Many beers in that range are perfectly fine, even some IPAs. Some beers could be fine for even longer than that; and a lot of it depends on how the beer is stored. For example, my local beer distributor just started selling singles and larger format bottles. That's great... except that it's in a warehouse without any air conditioning. I had to laugh when I walked in last week and we'd been having temperatures in the 90's all week - I won't be buying anything from them unless it's in a cooler, or it's January/February/March.
     
  3. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I do, I care a great deal and read dates carefully so I can make the right choices.
     
  4. Daveshek28

    Daveshek28 Pundit (785) Nov 10, 2015 Pennsylvania

    I care, I see this all the time. So many "shelf turds" laying around, I always check the dates. I honestly just go to my local breweries now to by fresh beer, but I'll stop by the bottle shops for either stouts (date not important), or new beers they just received fresh.
     
  5. Daveshek28

    Daveshek28 Pundit (785) Nov 10, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Agreed 100%, my local shops don't have any AC on in the summer and hoppy beers spoil rapidly. I don't know who buys the stuff that sits there in super hot temps and actually enjoys it.
     
  6. Javaslinger

    Javaslinger Initiate (0) May 1, 2017 Virginia

    I was confused by some date stamps. A few clearly said best by such and such... The rest I assume were bottled on or canned on such and such date... However, there was one that had a date in the future but did not specify it was a best by date...
     
  7. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    The powers that be need to create a "Top Offender" list and publish it. I bet money breweries would wake up and pay attention more if their name was on that list. Just my two cents.
    Buyer beware is the best advice, read and educate yourself and you will be just fine.
    Cheers,
     
  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I think the problem we're talking about here is the retailer, not the brewer. If the retailer isn't ordering properly, or rotating their stock, they'll end up with old beer - and then we end up with old beer! Sometimes it's not their fault, certain items that they thought would sell just don't, but in general they need to pay more attention to what's going on. Other times it's their distributor shipping them beer that's already old (been there and done that myself). It's complicated, especially with all of the new beers coming to market now, and the constant change of seasonals and special releases.
     
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  9. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    In my neck of the woods the blame rests squarely on the distributor. There is only one liquor store in town and half a dozen grocery/beer wine outlets. None of the Grocery stores have a dedicated beer person so stuff gets stocked by the distributor. One place has a case of Hoptimum on the shelf that is nearly 10 months old. I brought it up to the manager and she couldn't have cared less. I've seen Dirtwolf stocked in another that was already past it's sell by date. I've contacted breweries and got sad responses but the problem never goes away. Buyer Beware
     
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  10. Javaslinger

    Javaslinger Initiate (0) May 1, 2017 Virginia

    Seems like a no win for the retailer unless distributors offer buy backs. I would imagine for a major brewery like Stone to enforce something like their claim for the Enjoy By beer, they might need to be willing to do that.
     
  11. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I guess I feel that if you are in the business of selling beer you need to make sure everyone down the line is adhering to your policy or rules. If I sold beer and my motto was fresh and sell by dates are to be adhered to then I would make sure my team was on top of this. It is totally doable but I feel they take the easy road of its no longer our issue its distribution or someone else. At the end of the day the product belongs to the person who made it, so I sort of leave all my issues at their door, they should control the process from production to consumption. I want to add that I get it, nothing is perfect in the real world, I totally get that just saying the process can improve it they wanted it to.
     
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  12. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Pooh-Bah (2,368) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    There's a new thread about this practically weekly...
     
  13. Javaslinger

    Javaslinger Initiate (0) May 1, 2017 Virginia

    This is the best one. I started it today.
     
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  14. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
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    Yes - check dates and buy fresh!

    For me, optimally, IPAs should be consumed within a month or two of packaging (3 at the most, though canned products seem to stretch those time frames).

    I'd say the same for DIPAs (IPAs with an 8-9% or higher abv), but that's just my preference. I think that most people would agree that they're good for longer - like 4-6 months (and still drinkable after, but their profile will change - hop-forward DIPAs will probably not hold up as well as maltier and higher abv types (in terms of retaining their original/intended flavor and aroma profile)).

    Stouts have the best shelf life (as do barleywines and the like), but unless I'm familiar with the beer already, I'd still like to have it with less than 6 months on it, though it's not uncommon to buy stouts with 8-12 months (or more) on them as their flavors mellow and meld, and you're not usually worried about losing that hop edge.
     
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  15. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    LOL I told myself not to comment but I got sucked in LOL Thanks OP :rofl:
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Absolutely!!

    And as has already been mentioned this situation is more acute in the summertime if your retailers are like my local Retail Beer Distributor where the temperature inside the store is hot! Heat kills beer!!

    Cheers!
     
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  17. CJNAPS

    CJNAPS Pooh-Bah (2,492) Nov 3, 2013 California
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    Sadly this problem seems like it never goes away, but I always check. Buying old IPA's is a waste of time and money.
     
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  18. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Drink stouts, buy "pre-cellared". I recently bought some 2015 Abyss and thanked them for aging it for me.
     
  19. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I believe Carton brewing will only distribute to stores who promise to put their beer in the fridge section. Higher end brands I'm sure will follow.
     
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