IPAs too different

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by HighlandtownBMore, Jul 28, 2017.

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  1. HighlandtownBMore

    HighlandtownBMore Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2017 Maryland

    In my opinion the IPA style is so vast that it needs alot more sub categories. With most other beer styles you get the general flavor of the style but with IPAs when you buy one you have no idea really what you are going to get.

    What brings this to mind is the other night I purchased a 6 pack of a local IPA and it was so intensely malty that I had to choke it down over several days(not wasting beer). While I purchased another local IPA tonite and its more floral and piney hop forward and dry with basically no malt flavor. I preferred this one tremendously more than the one from the other day.

    To me this major flavor difference is a problem. Imagine a BMC drinker trying a random IPA to see what this craft beer thing is all about. He likes it. Wants more of that same general flavor so gets a different brewery's IPA and it's an almost 100% different flavor. Now he's more fearful of trying new things.

    I'm all for breweries doing different things with their IPAs and I of course don't want just a cookie cutter way of making it. What I would like to know is if it's malt forward or hop forward. Fruity or floral or piney or what. This site is a great source for that but what I'm saying is on the can or bottle.
     
  2. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I suppose all we can really do is go by the information on the can or label. Frankly, that usually says as much or more as what I get from the brewer's website.
     
  3. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Pooh-Bah (2,092) Aug 16, 2009 South Carolina
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    -Session (light IPA)
    -West Coast (hoppy, bitter, crisp IPA)
    -New England (creamy, smooth, hazy, fruity IPA)
    -English (malty yet bitter)
    of course there isn't a perfect way to cut it

    a lot of beers have a simple info/detail paragraph on their can/bottle stock that says what hops are used and what kind of flavor to expect.

    when i first started drinking IPAs i used the BA ratings to find the "good ones". some of the first I tried were Stone IPA, Centennial IPA, Finest Kind IPA and Commodore Perry. descriptions only help so much, you need to try a beer to see what you like
     
  4. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    I totally get what your saying.

    Some breweries use to have little meters on their bottles with Malty, Hoppy, ect.. Actually I think flying dog is one but I am not certain if they still do this.

    Anyhow an approach like that sounds like the remedy that your looking for.

    Furthermore, the HopButhcer out of Chicago uses descriptors such as "pine", "Tropical", "Dank" ect.. with their IPAs on the can so that may be another approach to consider.

    BUT I do not think that having sub categories for the IPA style is an an "appropriate" approach. Because then I shall be able to justify in argument that the Marsh-mellow and Oatmeal DIPA sitting in my basement should have it's own style.

    And what style whould that be?

    Adjunct IPA?

    It just not academic.
     
  5. HighlandtownBMore

    HighlandtownBMore Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2017 Maryland

    I wholeheartedly agree but grab a Magic Hat IPA and grab say a Sierra Nevada Torpedo and tell me this is even remotely the same beer. Whole different taste. Session is usually listed on label but generally if it's a 6-7% general IPA, it just says IPA and you can end up drinking a hop bomb or a malt bomb and have no idea whats coming.

    I use beer advocate before I purchase and check ratings etc but I'm thinking that if you get that super malty IPA and it's.off putting and that is your first IPA ever. You may never try.another IPA again under he assumption they all.taste like that They don't though and that's what can be confusing to people that are new to craft

    It's a tough sell though....keep buying $14 six packs of beer that is gross to you until you find the one you like? That's why it's hard for craft to convert that Coors light drinker.
     
  6. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Speaking only for myself I don't think I would find more categories helpful. Even if that were to happen variations in malt presence and IBU within the style could change the perceived flavor dramatically for me.
     
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  7. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    Craft beer is trial and error. It's the beauty and curse of it. I'd recommend going to a store where you can buy singles until you've tried enough to get an idea of what you'll like. I recently bought 4 bottles of slurm lord form Short's and quickly realized the style (new england dipa) may not be to my taste. Should have just bought one...
     
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  8. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Sound advice, when traveling now I seek out stores that are generous with their pick a six selections.
     
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  9. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

    I've seen quite a few breweries that have colored "scales" on the can that depict hoppyness and maltiness. But understand if that isn't very common, especially for brewers that are a bit more old school. These days a lot local breweries are printing everything from SRM to gravities to hop strains on their cans. SRM might be another way for OP to gauge how malty their beer is gonna be before trying it, although it doesn't always mean a whole lot. You can have two IPAs that are pretty much the same colour where one has a much bigger malt bill. Maybe a higher original gravity would be a better indicator?
     
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  10. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    If they want more of that flavor profile buy a different IPA and don't get it they should ::gasp:: buy the first IPA they drank again.

    Predicting future enjoyment from past purchases is amazingly easy. You turned that poor BMC drinker into a ticker. I know ex-BMC drinkers who were lured away by Lagunitas IPA. Now they drink Lagunitas IPA. Much more satisfied people than people I've met that are in constant search of profiles they have had in previous beers but searching for them in new beers.
     
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  11. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    SInce you mention specifics. Magic Hat typically lists what they are doing with their IPA's. Same as with Sierra Nevada. People aren't exactly beating down the doors for Magic Hat IPAs the way they would for Sierra Nevada.
    A bit of knowledge about the regional differences in American IPA's would probably go a long way here as well. East Coast IPA's, prior to the NEIPA era, worked the malt into the flavor profile more than their west coast counter parts.
    Also. You didn't mention dates. If you know what the dob or the drink by dates are on them. You have a world of difference coming to you. Hold old were they?
    Outside of all of that. SInce the BA is getting into graphics for breweries to adopt. I strongly suggest that the Brewers Association work with the Cyclops Beer Board and institute a graphic standard for sight, smell and taste identifiers.
     
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, at least they don't "...all taste the same" anymore...
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you know how old that beer was? The aspect of "intensely malty" reads like an old IPA to me.

    Cheers!
     
  14. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I like that but my casual craft drinking friends are still wrestling with the concept of freshness codes.
     
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  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    If the op said this about Saison as a style I would be on board.
     
  16. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    IPA is no longer a style. It is a marketing buzz word.
     
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  17. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Beers humming on the shelves, now there's an image.
     
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  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    An IPA is an IPA as long as it's yeast, malt, water, hops and the Brewer calls it such. Calling it a Pale Ale would be correct too, but it would hurt the marketing. The Brewers skills and execution will make them different, some great, some mediocre. You'd only need sub divisions for adjuncts like coffee, bourbon aged, fruit etc. if not you'd have 50 subdivisions based on different hops, rye, wheat whatever.
     
  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    ugh, me too. Reading that I made a funny face, I hate malty ipas .
     
  20. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Even fewer categories overall would suit me. Just disclosing what's in it and how you made it would suffice. My friends who don't make craft beer a hobby are as likely to be influenced by the art design as by what it's called.
     
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