47Hops Filed for Bankruptcy

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  1. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    https://47hops.com/chapter-11/

    I'm not sure where these guys fall in the hop grower/distributor market as far as size goes, but the blog post goes into a fair amount of detail about what's happening in the beer market at the moment. Growth is slowing and brewers aren't paying for contracted hops, likely due to their own cash flow/growth issues. Hop47 is still in business and trying to work through the bankruptcy process to stay alive, but this certainly isn't a great sign of things to come. I know many larger and regional players have tried to dump over-contracted hops into the market. I believe Avery was giving away something like 13,000 lbs of cascade hops earlier in the year and many other breweries were looking to sell hops they had already received and weren't able to use. Now we see how that impacts hop growers: "During the past year, a sizeable number of brewers with whom 47Hops has contracts have delayed payment for and delivery of their hops. Payments for some contracted hops are one year behind schedule. Some brewers have stopped responding to calls and emails altogether."

    I don't know how enforceable those contracts are, but I certainly wouldn't want to be a brewery that thinks it can just not return calls to avoid payment.

    Apologies if this was already posted elsewhere, couldn't find it via forum search.
     
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  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I'm having a hard time squaring this story with the articles about hop shortages due to weather, evil big beer no longer selling their hops to other brewers, and even that dick brewer in Atlanta who blamed his quality issues on things like hard to get hops.

    Would anyone who has insider knowledge of how these things work like to offer some kind of illumination of the apparent conflict?
     
  3. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    No insider knowledge but some things might need to be sorted here.

    Which hop shortages and where are they? For example the Big Beer no longer selling hops brouhaha involved a crop short fall in South Africa (which is a net importer of hops) with side effects that have been blamed on ABInBev. (There have been at least two independent sources who confirmed a crop shortfall.)

    As for the brewer in Atlanta I'd say from the stuff I've read they didn't know what they were doing and blamed things on difficulty finding the ingredients they wanted. (Especially when we have a successfull craft brewer, posting in that thread to out that any difficulty isn't a difficulty in sourcing if one knows what they are doing.)
     
  4. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    re: hop shortages, 47Hops themselves in the blog posting just before the Chapter 11 posting discussed a heat wave causing a hop shortage in Europe on top of a market that was "teetering on the verge of shortage."
     
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  5. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    I am a firm believer that a lot of people when they have problems, it is actually someone else's fault. I know when it happens to me it is, so I figure the same for others. I actually have a hard time understanding if if you contract for something, that you can actually walk away from it. Maybe they don't want to pressure the particular brewer(s), but screw you once.. you know the rest. Also it sets a bad precedent for your dealings with others if you show that you are willing to let people walk away from their commitments. Raising kids taught me that lesson
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    They aren't a big one like YCH or Haas.

    This explains some of the recent blog posts.
     
  7. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    We should all be aware that a number of businesses and "people" stiff their vendors regardless of the business climate in general.
     
  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Well that blog post seems to be the prediction for this year's crop. (Harvest in the US doesn't start until the end of this month, if that soon, and without checking I assume it is much the same in Europe).

    The unpaid bills seem to have for the 2016 crop and possiby earlier crops.
     
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  9. rodbeermunch

    rodbeermunch Grand Pooh-Bah (3,900) Sep 30, 2015 Nevada
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    Interesting to not see any explicit discussion about proprietary hops versus traditional in this dilemma. I have a hunch it might be part of this.

    Somehow I doubt there are Citra and Mosaic hops just sitting around, waiting. . . ? There was mention of aroma hops, but I dunno, dry hopped beers still seem very popular (the most popular?) in the craft % of market share. . .

    Wondering the possibility that these contracts were years old, new hop varieties come out, making the contracts for non proprietary C or noble hops not seem as attractive these days? I dunno, juggernauts and massive hop users like Sierra Nevada are still cranking out world class C hopped stuff, so I could be way off base.
     
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  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The harvest has started in MI. They are probably doing Centennial in WA now.
     
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  11. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    They supplied shitty hops, got big quickly, and people stopped buying because their product sucked. It's not really a surprise.
     
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  12. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Used to get the Brewers Assoc daily emails and it was equal parts "Excess hops for sale" from established breweries and "Anyone have a business plan they're willing to share". There were many well known breweries trying to clear huge volumes of 2015/2016 harvest hops in 2017.
     
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  13. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I was going to bring up the same question.

    There are certainly hop varieties that are "hotter" than others.
     
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  14. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    People stopped paying for hops they had under contract. Good luck with the "your last batch wasn't as good, so we're not paying" defense in bankruptcy court.
     
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  15. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Pulled up an old email, June 6th. One large super-regional brewery looking to move 5500 lbs of Centennial and 6000 lbs of Chinook. Smaller brewery in CA I've never heard of looking to sell overcontracted hops including 1000 lbs of Amarillo, 1000 lbs of simcoe, and 700 lbs of citra (plus many other varieties). Yes, smaller guys were likely buying it up on the secondary market, but most craft brewers don't want to be brokers of hops, which changes how they order/contract going forward.
     
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  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Correction.

    My earlier response was partly incorrect and definetly oversimplified and misleading. The possible Hop shortfall is for the 2017 crop in Europe and at that time it wasn't clear if the US crop could cover the shortage in certain kinds of hops.

    Because of the US craft beer sales slowdown in 2016, some Brewers didn't use up all their 2016 hops and now dont want all the US hops from the 2017 contracts they made in 2016 for hops from the 2017 crop. Some are simply ignoring him.

    Meanwhile he has to, or already had to, pay the farmers for the hops they have been grewing for 2017 at the price he contracted for with them in 2016, to help be sure the farmers would grow enough hops for him to be able to fulfill his 2017 contracts with Brewers, some of whom appear to be trying to stiff him because they don't need/want all the hops they contracted for with him from the 2017 crop.

    (I think this is a bit closer to unraveling what is going on.)
     
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  17. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

    The only positive side I see from all this is that if there is any effort made to not let all these extra hops go to waste, whether this means the brewers honouring and paying for their initial order or the supplier just giving then away before they go bad, it could potentially lead to some creative stuff in the brewing process. That could be kind of amazing in the eyes and tastebuds of a hop head like me. I'm all for these brewers using more hops in their process, cranking up IBUs on stuff or turning everything into a New England style with dry and late additions. I get that it might be tough to change established recipies or create entirely new stuff because there's no guarantee people would buy it, but these days it seems a lot of folks are pretty obsessed over hoppy stuff. All I know is it would be a shame to let those hops go to waste.
     
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  18. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Found this from last year: http://thebrewermagazine.com/?p=3610

    "We have seen the downside of this market before due to oversupply,” said Ann George the Hop Growers of America‘s executive director. “While we see a clear need, thanks to long shelf life, cost, and long-term commitment of growing hops, we encourage responsible contracting to ensure a stable market in terms of price and availability.”

    Hop industry basically called this last year.
     
  19. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Long shelf life is especially true for extracts. Mostly used for bittering, Hop extracts are something of a buffer between bumper crops and poor crop years. They were just working through the stock pile from 2009-ish. It may spike up again.
     
  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    BREWBOUND: A Bitter Bankruptcy in Yakima: Are Brewers to Blame?
     
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