Something called 'table beer' is becoming very popular

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  1. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The author of that article sometimes posts in these forums. There are a couple of things about this article that I really don't agree with:

    1. Comparing Allagash Hoppy Table Beer to seltzer.

    2. That today's table beers tend to be between 2 and 4 percent ABV. (In my experience, while there are some 2%ish beers out there, most seem to be between 4 and 5.)

    3. The title of the article just isn't even in the ballpark of being true.
     
  3. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Kinda sorta. Locally Mystic brewing has had one for quite some time, but they tend to do more Belgian styles than anything else.

    Exhibit A just came out with one, I want to say Notch has done some form of a table beer in the past. While they're not my favorite (table beers in general, not the one's listed above), I do enjoy them. And any flavorful beer that is also low ABV is always welcomed.
     
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  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    "Table Beer" YAHWDTBTD. (Yet another historically well defined term bites the dust.)
     
  5. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I've had a couple of these "types", but maybe we should formalize and document standards for the definitive "Sofa Beer.
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I'm not so sure of the "historically well defined" part. At least not as a fair comparison to what brewers are making today. I'm guessing you're referring to their ABV.

    "Table beer," as a named thing, existed historically in England and Scotland. Along with small beer, family ale, table ale, and dinner ale. It was a tax class rather than what we think of styles today. It could be pale ale, porter, or mild. A brewer even made an "imperial table beer" at one point. Spaten actually brewed something called a Tafelbier (table beer) that was 7% and in champagne bottles. Belgium and France had biere faible (weak beer), petite biere (small beer), and biere table (table beer). Most of everything I'm listing here was low alcohol.

    In my experience, a majority of US craft table beers are modeled after Belgian styles. It's too bad that in our self-proclaimed age of "extreme" brewing, US craft brewers aren't as willing to explore the lower edges of ABV as something "extreme" - most of today's beers called "table beer" have an ABV stat like an AAL.
     
  7. beernuts

    beernuts Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2014 Virginia

    The comments in that article are pretty top-notch. Apparently this is all the fault of millenial women.
     
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  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    You make my point fairly well.

    Table beer was indeed not a style but a category of ABV. It was well enough defined, as you say, in the U.K. by the laws under which it was taxed. Similarly in Belgium and France it was part of an ABV strength categorization.

    In the examples given in the article it is not part of a well defined ABV categorization except in the loosest sense of High vs. Not High.
     
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    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Yeah, but when it was no longer a tax category in the UK in the 1800s, brewers were still making "table beers" because of consumer demand. I think bottled "dinner ale" eventually contributed to "table beer" fading away. I honestly have no idea how well defined these things were.
     
  10. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Seems like a discussion that @patto1ro might want to chime in on.

    I haven't seen much "table beer" around my area (Philadelphia burbs), but maybe I don't get out enough. Table beer might be a trend, but certainly in it's infancy [in the US]. I don't have any specific knowledge or references of table beer to add, but I'll be following this discussion to educate myself.

    Unfortunately, I don't trust most American brewers to correctly apply a historical term, like table beer, to the beer they produce, instead of just using the term willy-nilly as marketing tool. [e.g. way too many American applications of session, kolsch, festbier, mild, etc.] Although, if what @zid says is correct, table beer definition may cover a very wide range of beer styles, ABV, and ingredients such that specific definitions might be impractical.

     
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  11. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Responding to you twice - I was always curious why most craft "table beers" followed Belgian templates over UK ones by default.
     
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  12. Celtics76

    Celtics76 Pooh-Bah (1,781) Sep 5, 2011 Rhode Island
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    I personally love the concept. I like the idea of having a light, well-made beer on hand that you can pair with anything. I pretty much consider most lagers as "table" beer. Locally, Narragansett comes to mind.
     
  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    If you took that Narragansett and added an equal amount of water to it, you might have something approaching traditional Table Beer. It was really not made to pair with anything, but made to drink as a source of hydration in the days when the cleanliness and safety of water could not be spoken for.
     
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  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    "Table beer is whatever you (and the brewer) want it to be."

    Probably the worst sentence that I've heard in a beer-related article in a LONG while. It's like saying "saison is whatever you (and the brewer) want it to be".

    That's bullshit. Full stop.

    Categorization is there for a reason. Mostly to inform the consumer of what they are buying. Calling your beer whatever you want to call it leads to bastardization and, more problematically, misinformation. In this day and age, we should be tightening up historical and stylistic definitions and getting rid of much of the rumors and old wives tales that are out there, because they're just plain wrong. This includes the want of many breweries to market a beer using a name (like IPA, for instance) that just isn't reflective of what the beverage in the container actually is. That's dishonest.
     
  15. zekerey

    zekerey Aspirant (232) Feb 16, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Tired Hands Fermentaria currently has a beer on tap called "Tabel Bier" (at 3.3% ABV) that they label as follows:

    "Tabel Bier:
    Tabel Saison 3.3% Brewed with Pilsner malt and raw wheat, and hopped with ample helpings of German grown Saaz and Mandarina Bavaria. Primary fermented in our of our large oak foudres with our Magickal saison yeast. Raw, simple, and meant for drinking."
     
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  16. ElijahSF

    ElijahSF Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2013 California

    Fieldwork Brewing brewed one.

    "Hugo our brewery puppy is a spry little five month old named after Hugo Lloris the captain of Les Bleus, that has energy to no end. His namesake is our French Table Beer, a 4.8% ABV Table Beer using all French Malts, yeast, and hops. French Pilsner malt gives Hugo a nice grainy malt character that shines through this small beer much like your favorite German lager. Hops imported from France put off nice and subtle notes of orange blossom, fresh cut grass, and lemon zest. Finally our French Saison yeast strain dries the beer out to a degree that makes it incredibly dry, refreshing, and highly crushable; making this beer perfect for a dinner pairing or for drinking all day outside."
     
  17. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    If I'm to take the initial description in the article (>1%, slightly carbonated, liquid bread, sweet) as the standard bearer, than what he described is pretty much a Kvass, which is still a thing and doesn't need further labeling. If that we're merely an example of times gone, than I don't necessarily understand the need to define anything today as a table beer as style, but rather use the term table beer as an adjective that could include several styles, so long as they fit into a category of lighter beers - "This Saison has a light body, hints of pear and pepper, and would serve as a great table beer for your salad".

    Nah, that sounds stupid as hell too.
     
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  18. Karibourgeois

    Karibourgeois Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2013 Texas

    Jester King has had one of these for a few years, Le Petit Prince. I think its around 3% or so and is a good basic, goes well w/ just about anything beer. Not earthy shatteringly good, but quaffable.
     
  19. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Congratulations! They've brewed a saison, which, at least in this case, is decidely NOT a table beer.
     
  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Agreed.

    However, I don't think anyone was suggesting that "table beer" become a style. Rather, that those beers labeled "table beer", were, in fact, table beers and not some 5% saison or some damned thing.
     
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