Beamish in Mass?

Canned version of what? Murphy's Stout? The US import also is not brewed in Ireland, but in the Heineken-subsidiary Caledonian Brewery in Scotland and imported by the Heineken-owned Five Points Trading.

That happened over three decades ago:

If you trust the University of Cork Ireland's Library's info.

 

While I do find this somewhat interesting, and did not know that...

...why does it matter? Degrees are simply very expensive pieces of paper to me, it's what you do with them that matters. And by no means are they required. Some of the most well respected and knowledgeable people in many fields I follow do not have degrees related to their fields of expertise.

Specifically this is for nutrition/exercise, for which I do have a degree in, and do not consider myself an expert by any means. And for my job, which I have 13 years experience, I do not have a specific degree in this field. Moreover, some of the most knowledgeable people in my career do not as well.

Furthermore, I've witnessed many instances in which someone with a degree is completely incompetent in their "field of expertise". But they'll flash those three letters at the end of their name as some sort of badge of honor that automatically credits them as being an expert.

I'm not sure if @jesskidden has his history degree.

 

This is one of the best posts I've seen here in a long time. So by your rationale Michael Jackson could not be considered a beer historian despite his obvious work within the field? His numerous books cannot be accepted by 'future historians'? Pure gold

 

@patto1ro may not want to get involved in this chain. Regardless, the work he has done pouring through the primary source brewing records of many breweries (and the trust many of those breweries have given him in allowing him to look through those records) gives great insight into brewing evolution over the last century+.

 

So the people who sell degrees want you to have bought a degree for them to take you seriously? Got it.

 

Next time you go to the dentist, ask her where she bought her degree. Then, let her know that since you've brushed your teeth since age 3, ALL BY YOURSELF, that if she wants to take a break, you can take over for a few hours.

Degrees outside of the sciences mean things. The pursuit of such degrees require you to be able to think clearly, critically, and differentiate good arguments from bad ones. You should look into one.

 

But no one would actually think like that. That would be like me telling my mechanic I can do his job because I've been changing my own oil all of my life.

It's taking the original argument out of context.

Which is that Ron Pattinson may not have a degree in history, so we should discredit and dismiss all of his beer journalism.

Of course degrees mean something, but they don't mean EVERYTHING. I'd rather trust someone with 30 years experience in a particular field without a degree then someone fresh out of school with a degree and no experience. And of course a degree would be helpful to the former person, degrees are useful, to say otherwise would be ignorant.

Todd and Jason don't have degrees in brewing that I know of, or degrees in history...perhaps I should consider canceling my BeerAdvocate account.

 

Naah. Not going to try to justify myself. I've got an Abt to drink. Way more important than a stupid argument about academic qualifications.

 

No, it makes him an amateur historian. Many of whom have contributed important works and often are consulted by historians with degrees in their field :|

 

Sorry, that total's bollocks. It's the other way around, 19th-century Porters were 5-5% ABV, Stouts 6-11% ABV.

But I guess you won't believe that because I don't have a history degree. Just spent a few hundred hours going through actual brewing records.

 

The word "historian" actually means story teller

• n historian A writer, compiler, or narrator of history.
• n historian One who is versed in history

Ron has spent years researching diligently and thoroughly tens of thousands of brewing records. He is able to immerse himself in the language used then and to interpret what he has found. He is one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet in the subject and regardless of any official or recognised qualification he is most definitely an historian of the highest order.