So what does pine taste like?

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  1. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    I'm relatively new to the craft beer scene but have really come to love IPAs, amongst other beers, and I've already had quite a few different ones by now. I think I've gotten pretty good at recognizing and differentiating between the different tastes and aromas like hoppiness, maltiness, fruity notes, spicy notes, bitterness, sweetness, etc. However, when I read the reviews here and stuff like pine, resin or "freshly cut grass" comes up, that still totally eludes me. I mean, I kinda get that when it comes to smell, but taste?

    I'm honestly finding it a little difficult to take this seriously as I'm pretty sure that most people have never tasted resin or gras, so how can you associate those unknown flavors with beer? At first I really thought this was just a few people taking the piss, then, reading it more and more and trying to wrap my head around this, I theorized that it was a way of describing the more abstract taste sensations like hops and bitterness, but ultimately I just don't really get it. So yeah, I would really appreciate it if someone could enlighten me when it comes to this.
     
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  2. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Your sense of taste is largely based on your sense of smell. In other words, something tastes like it smells. Not much more I could offer in way of explanation. No way I'd suggest eating grass, or pine needles to get real-life experience, although pine cones are edible.
     
  3. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Smell and taste follow. You can take a sniff of pine, take a sip of an IPA and see if the sip follows. Ive seen shows that show how to do this , it's interisting when people are blind folded they they lose a lot if the ability to identify even simple everyday items. It's a learned thing to, it can be taught. Take a sniff, take a bite, does it follow or not? Probably U Tube videos out there, but it's certinly not hard to see how items like cut grass, pine , chocolate and fruit are identified.
     
  4. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Many times people are describing a taste that is what the descriptor smells like. For example, I know what evergreen trees smell like and what pine resin smells like, and I can taste that in some hops.

    Oh, and BTW, I grew up on a farm. I know very well what grass tastes like! :wink:
     
  5. BergBeer

    BergBeer Maven (1,417) Aug 21, 2013 California

    This. Also, there are beer brewed with spruce tips so you can absolutely understand the pine taste.

    It is all about description. Some hoppy beers can have a noticeable "green" taste. Well that is a really abstract description so reach for the next closest thing pine, grassy, floral, etc. It's the same way that some belgian/sour beers have a "horse blanket taste". You shouldn't lick horse blankets but have a beer that has that smell/taste and it is spot on.

    As another example Gamay wine has a extremely distinct mineralty that taste like how it smells after it rains on gravel. I've never sucked on gravel but I can tell you Gamay can taste just like that smell. You would be doing the wine/beer a disservice to leave these flavors out of your description just because you think the description sounds funny.

    If you want a pine forward beer try an IPA with 100% Centennial hops.
     
  6. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    As many have mentioned - taste and smell are closely related. With IPAs you often get a smell that is familiar and then you can "taste" that smell when you drink it because you are tasting what it is that provided that aroma for you to smell. Its easier to recognize aromas and flavors that you are already familiar with at first, but over time you will come to recognize the more obscure aromas/flavors.

    Also, I will just add, I spent plenty of my childhood playing outdoors in the woods and on a friend's farm ... so, I have tasted freshly cut grass, dried grass or hay, pine sap, needles and resin at various points. Im pretty confident in identifying those flavors.
     
  7. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    And this is a prime example where palates differ so much. I find Centennial to have a bit of bitter orange rind to it, Two Hearted, Racer 5, Founders Centennial for me are very similar. I'd also say I equate earthy IPAs to Chinook hops, or blends thst use Simcoe or Moasic. Those last two hops as a single hop can be but are not always a bit cat pissy. It's no coincidence they're cousins and very similar from the start. Perceptions are different, I find Citra light bright and fruit forward , I've heard others describe this as an earthy hop, no right or wrong just different.
     
  8. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    To me pine always was a more bitter pungent note in the beer. Like the above posts, we all taste things differently so each of us has a unique response but for me it was always that, hard to explain but when I taste it I know.
    Cheers
     
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  9. BergBeer

    BergBeer Maven (1,417) Aug 21, 2013 California

    The hops I feel are the most pine forward are centennial and cascade. Centennial gets the slight nudge because cascade also has a distinct grapefruit note. I had a 100% centennial DIPA recently and it was like chewing on pine needles.
     
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  10. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Except for the beers that are brewed with spruce tips (and those beers are a definite pine taste), no other beers (hops) taste like pine to me. I suppose when a person is asked to describe what the hops in a specific beer taste like, pine is the closest available descriptor thus the word 'piney' is born.

    Of all of the flavor descriptors attributed to hops, grapefruit is the only other one that has a definite accuracy. Tangerine, floral, dank, etc. never come forward to my taste buds, and it's always a 'stretch' to figure out how those words ever got attached to hop flavors. They are flavors that are simply 'in the neighborhood' of reality.
     
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The sense of taste has 5 basic components; sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami (savory).

    Pine would fall under aroma.

    Flavor is a combination of aroma and taste.

    I had a spruce beer at Ft. George in Astoria OR, and I didn’t get pine, I got a very citrusy flavor, and my brain said cascade hops, even though it had no hops. The first growth of Sitka Spruce is what they use. Different from some of the Spuce beers in MI that taste of turpentine to me.
     
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  12. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Pooh-Bah (2,859) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    Get thee to a pine forest and indulge thyself with tree droppings or pluck them fresh.
     
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  13. chimneyjim

    chimneyjim Zealot (522) Jun 23, 2004 Oregon

    If you haven't tasted grass or pine needles you haven't lived. Time go outside. :sunglasses:
     
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  14. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    Would suggest some sensory evaluations. ( beer tastings) Also the book by Randy Mosher " Tasting Beer" . One more, get some hop tea for nosing. Hops with hot water poured over them. Maybe with some friends or a beer class as well as split open some fresh hops( in season now) and stick your nose in them.
     
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  15. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I've eaten grass, pine needles, tasted sap from fresh cut conifers, acorns, hickory nuts, fresh cut hay, sassafras leaves and roots, gensing, cherry leaves, growing barley, alfalfa, milo, tobacco, dandelion root, Queen Anne's Lace root (wild carrot), and carefully selected wild mushrooms just as a start. I grew up out in the woods at the edges of many beef, dairy, and, tobacco farms. Flavors have always interested me. The smells were easy. Having become a beer and wine professional was a natural happenstance in this progression of curiosity.
     
  16. rjniles

    rjniles Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2012 South Carolina

    Make sure they are tree droppings and not bird droppings. Both are common from trees.
     
  17. jeffgott

    jeffgott Pooh-Bah (1,791) Feb 15, 2015 New Jersey
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  18. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Honestly, it took me a LONG while to "get" the pine thing. The dank, resin, and grass descriptors are pretty easy in comparison. My advice? Keep thinking about these things when you drink hoppy beers, because you can't force yourself to recognize the character, but what you can do is open your mind to the possibility that the character does exist.
     
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  19. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    In addition to beer, I'm a big carbonated water drinker. My very favorite is grapefruit flavored Perrier in those little cans. I haven't had it in years, since it's more expensive than other brands, but I remember it having a very strong Christmas tree flavor and aroma. So much so that many people in my family didn't even like it! I'd recommend picking up a case of that water if you want to know what pine tastes like.

    Because of that experience, I've always considered grapefruit and pine flavors very similar. It's no coincidence that many of the hops considered piney are also perceived as grapefruity or citrusy by others.

    Edit: I believe the flavor is specifically called "pink grapefruit".
     
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  20. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Chinook and Mosaic definitely have strong pine notes, totally agree.
     
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