So what does pine taste like?

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  1. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    This just goes to show how different palates can be and that's probably a good point for the OP to keep in mind as well. I find pine to be one of most straightforwardly accurate descriptors there is while finding "grassy" less so ("hay/straw" on the other hand is another clear one for me).

    And EMJ's latter point is a good one. Sometimes a review/description will give you a word you couldn't quite find to pin down a flavor you were tasting and other times it will just leave you scratching your head as to what the hell people are on about. Either way it's a useful experience.
     
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  2. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    I taste pine every time I take down the xmas tree at the end of the season. Have tasted grass plenty of times mowing the lawn and I taste resin recreationally.
     
  3. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

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  4. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    Where are you located, relatively speaking? I'm getting ready to embark on a speaking tour throughout various locations in CONUS, and I'll be addressing (among many things) this topic in great detail. Inbox me for specifics.

    "LARRRGE is not just a mantra, LARRRGE is a way of life." ©
     
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  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Drink Retsina
     
  6. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    Pine might have been the first descriptor in IPA that I got. A Southern boy whose favorite past times growing up involved being in the woods, I chewed pine needles throughout my childhood and recognized that immediately. Although there is an unmistakable aroma, there is a bitterness and astringency associated with a pineneedle that is truly reflected in some beers.

    Hoptimum immediately came to mind.
     
  7. Selby56

    Selby56 Devotee (327) Nov 12, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Maybe I am weird, but I pick up citrus and grapefruity notes in most IPAs as opposed to pine. Two Hearted is my favorite overall beer, I don't notice much pine. Other beers like Hop Dang Diggity, another favorite of mine, the pine notes are very up front to me.
     
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  8. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    When I first encountered Retsina at a wine festival in Daphne, I was startled, then loved it. White wine aged on pine. It will definitely "cleanse" ones palate. I've thought about food pairings for years. Anyway, it goes well with SNPA!
     
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  9. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I definitely feel like a lot of IPAs are citrusy (including Two Hearted), but there are definitely some that read as pine to me. Ska's Modus Hoperandi springs to mind. Maybe there is a certain level of something else (like bitterness or resiny, sappy flavors) that taste like pine when combined with citrus flavors.

    Anyway, I think the line between citrus and pine is pretty fine.
     
  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I get bitter orange rind with Centennial hops, just do, it's what sticks.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So you "kinda" already know the answer. Flavor is mostly aroma so if you smell pine in beer: voila!

    Cheers!
     
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  12. Grizzarky

    Grizzarky Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2014 Tennessee

    Since the aroma tied to taste thing had been hit several times here, I just want to add one thing.

    Remember that its just beer, and its meant to be enjoyed. Describe what you smell and taste, but dont ruin the expirience by stressing over spruce tips vs pine needles, or blood orange vs tangerines.
     
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  13. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    This has an actual name: "petrichor." It's a favorite word of mine, actually.

    And yeah, OP, wait until you try gueuze and read reviews on that. That's where the interesting descriptors come in; "pine" (even "horse blanket") is only the tip of the iceberg.

    Also, if you want to taste pine, go drink Tanqueray or another London Dry gin (though Tanqueray is probably the most pine-forward). Juniper has very strong pine/spruce character.
     
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  14. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I'll never admit to tasting a sweaty horse blanket so just take my word for it ... :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  15. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Grand Pooh-Bah (5,630) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    Two Hearted destroys your point. No pine, all Centennial.
     
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  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    To further the notion that palates differ, when I first had Two Hearted, I felt like I was drinking potpourri. @hopfenunmaltz made the below post in a different thread about a week ago. It gave me an "aha" moment. Bell's house yeast is also known for providing an orange flavor. Some think that this quality separates it from other all-Cenntenial beers.
     
  17. iwantyourskull

    iwantyourskull Devotee (325) Dec 27, 2015 Missouri

    to the op.
    start putting stuff in your mouth.
     
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  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Great points, I'm thinking it's the hops but I'm completely ignorant on the yeast components, obviously they have a tremendous input on the final flavors.
     
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  19. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Thanks for the replies, it's all very interesting, especially people saying that they have actually eaten grass or pine needles. I didn't even know you could eat the young green pine shoots (spruce tips?), but I would love to try some if there were any pine forests where I live. I'm a city boy, so I think that's why I'm having some difficulties with the more earthy, woody aromas.

    I think a lot of it is also simply down to association or wanting to use more colorful descriptors for certain abstract taste sensations, like bitterness, as some have mentioned. But I think I do get it, especially in that context, because I had a west coast IPA a few weeks ago that really had what I would describe as a very intense, dry, lingering bitterness which some people may describe as piney. It also had some very strong grapefruit notes, so that checks with people saying that these aromas commonly go together.

    I'm from Germany, so I don't really have access to most of the beers that people have recommended, but the one I mentioned above is In Your Face by Crew Republic, just in case anyone knows it. It's brewed with Centennial, Chinook, Simcoe, Citra and Herkules hops. I have also found a bottle of Centennial IPA by Founders at my local craft beer shop, one of the few american beers they carry, but I have no idea if that is actually brewed with Centennial hops only, it doesn't say on the label. I will probably drink that on the weekend, along with another In Your Face and try to channel a pine forest in my mind while doing so :grin:.
     
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  20. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Chinook Hop'd and Simcoe Hop'd Ipa's and Pale Ales usualy have a "Pineyness" (yes, i'm making up words) to them.

    Example Sap from Treehouse, Pliney, Lawson’s Chinooker’d,
    Other beers with pine SN Pale ale, Sn Torpedo, Arrogant Bastard
     
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