Noxious Gas/Odor from Carboy during Fermentation

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  1. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Hey guys,

    So this past Saturday I brewed an all Galaxy IPA and used WYEAST 1272 for the first time to switch it up. The fermentation took roughly 40 hours to start even with a healthy starter and a pitching temp of 68 degrees. The fermentation really took off around Tuesday morning and smelled/looked great. This morning I went down before work to take a temp reading and got a nasty noxious, odor smell that immediately gave me a headache. I let it sit and came back about 45 minutes ago after getting home. I took the air lock out of the carboy and was slammed with the same smell but way more intense this time, immediately making me lightheaded.

    I have never experienced this in all my years of brewing, and cannot imagine its from the yeast as I have done research and seen no indication of this. The smell is almost like ammonia. I have a pretty solid background in biology and chemistry, but do not know where to start with this.

    Anyone else every experience this? Basically getting the feeling I need to dump this batch pretty soon.
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    How did you do that? Did you open the fermenter up? Fermenting wort can smell pretty nasty sometimes...combined with a little CO2 burn :grimacing:
     
  3. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Don’t ever dump a batch unless you know for a fact that it’s infected. See it through, you’ll probably be pleasantly surprised. :slight_smile: RDWHAHB :slight_smile:
     
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  4. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I've read some say it's the yeast nutrient and it would go away.
     
  5. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    ....as to tou getting light headed, don’t stick your nose in the fermentation chamber. I almost passed out once from all the Co2!!
     
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  6. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I'd see it thru, but be prepared to dump. I have had a couple like that, both with the same yeast, both similar mashes. Both ruined by some infection. Hopefully you will fair better
     
  7. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    appears its caused by a vigorous fermentation with excessively high co2 concentrations. I’m gonna see it through, hopefully it calms down and the beer comes through as expected.

    Thanks all.
     
  8. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I'll be the first to say your problem may be very serious. First, a 40 hour lag time at 68F when a starter was made is not at all normal. Something like 2-10 hours is more common. During this time your wort is vulnerable to any wild bacteria that may have hitched a ride. Carbon dioxide is odorless. Yes, very high concentrations can cause a prickly sensation in the nose but in no way should there be an ammonia aroma. Healthy fermenting yeast should be neutral to something very pleasant in aroma.

    Your starter: How was aroma? Again, this should be something pleasant (grassy, lemony) . . . even neutral-finishing 1056 has a pleasant aroma in a starter. I recommend you "stay the course" because there's not much to lose by finishing it. But it would be nice if you reported back after you take the first gravity reading.
     
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  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    How did it smell on Tuesday and Wednesday?

    You have a link for that? As @PortLargo said, what you described was not CO2.
     
  10. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    The starter smelled perfectly fine - no off aromas. I do a great job of sanitizing everythig and have yet to have an infection in several years of brewing. However, there is Always a first time for everything so hopefully thats not the case.
     
  11. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Nope no link or data unfortunately. Someone in our HB club said they had experienced this before. High levels of CO2 built up and he almost knocked himself out smelling the carboy during peak fermentationZ

    This is the first time I’m experiencing this and there doesn’t seem to be many resources/recounts of this happening widely. So all options/reasons are still on the table.

    I will stay the course and will report back when I take my first gravity reading tonight. I will unfortunately have to make the decision on whether I think the beer will turn out or not - I don’t want to waste 6 oz Galaxy hops dry hopping an infected (using the term loosely) beer.
     
  12. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Oh and the beer smelled perfectly fine on both Tuesday and Wednesday but the fermentation was pretty slow. The odor arised yesterday when the fermentation seemed to peak.
     
  13. Zonk

    Zonk Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 New Jersey

    Are you kegging? Why not do a small dry hop now, and if there beer seems ok when you carb up drop the rest of the dry hop in the keg?
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Not that I was there to smell it, but if it didn't smell sulfur-based, I'd be very suspicious of wild yeast. How are your sanitation procedures?
     
  15. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Yep that sounds like a great plan.

    Definitely not sulphur based. My sanitation procedures are consistent and well prepared. Ive never had an infection issue in well over 50 batches.

    Will check when I get home and report back.
     
  16. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Great news! The beer is absolutely fine. I took a gravity reading and it was 1.015, which is damn close to my expected 1.014 and the fermentation is still going strong. I got absolutely no odor from the sample I pulled for the gravity reading. I tasted it and it was even more delicious than I had hoped. I decided to rack to secondary on top of the ounces of dry hops.

    Bad news! I think the smell is coming from freon leaking in my chest freezer. I've read that while most freons are odorless, some can have an ether-like smell. That might explain why I almost passed out yesterday.
     
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  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

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  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Man, I would recommend not obsessively checking beer daily.
     
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  19. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    I usually dont check my beers everyday but I just got a new chest freezer which I converted into my fermentation chamber and have been closely monitoring the temperature since its a nee system
     
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